What do you think about this breeding?

[sanfordssj]

The one factor that everyone seems to agree with is:

This type of breeding is not for the inexperienced, and as much as
possible should be known about the parents and their ancestors.

I have never inbreed, but have seen many litters that where, and it isnt worth it to me. Now for those guys who have been breeding for 30 plus years and just have a natrual gut feeling when the right pair comes around all the power to them.

[Greg Wells]

Not naming anyone, but I've seen inbreeding tried with several different lines & it was a disaster. I'll bet a nickle there has never been an inbred hound make FC in the Mid-West Assoc.
I will say that there is a chance that you might get a bitch worthy of breeding & she could produce nice hounds, but I wouldn't expect anything of FC caliber & there probably will only be one worth breeding so I would keep them all until I knew which one.
I have seen a few inbred bitches in pedigrees that produced well, but I can't recall an inbred FC in any extended pedigree that I've seen.
So in my opinion, which isn't based on any results in a science lab or anything, but just what I've seen a few guys try with good hounds, you probably won't get pups that will suit you as hunting dogs, but there's a chance you could get a good producing female that is capable of producing a great hound.
I like to breed pretty close sometimes, but I'll just take my chances & live with what I get without inbreeding.

[old blood beagles]

I have seen several father to daughter crosses that have produced nice hounds along with FC, IFC, RCH, GRCH and so on but I cant recall any son to mother crosses that have produced like this. I am not saying that it would not and I would like to see the outcome of this mating.

One thing that we need to look at is the term line breeding and inbreeding they are one and the same anytime that you take two hounds with similar pedigrees and cross them we are inbreeding and I am a firm believer in it, but we must way all the outcomes and be prepaired for the worst. One example that I can think of is the linebreeding with FC Howards Bandit by "Jack of All Trades" this is a great linebreed hound without doing the close (father/daughter or son/mother)inbreeding.

If you are going to cross father/daughter or son/mother you need to go back 5 to 7 generations at a minimum and see what they have produced in offspring, their running style, their good habits, their bad habits, and everything in between befor just saying that I want to make this cross.

Just my 2 cents and not worth much more.

[Greg Wells]

I've always looked at the terms inbreeding & linebreeding very different, so when is use the term inbreeding, I'm talking about breeding littermates, father x daughter or mother x son.
I will correct myself from my other post, I do remember one well known inbred FC male in many pedigrees, FC Lakeside Snowflake, that was the result of Mt. Zion Pete bred back to his daughter.
I think most of our most well known bloodlines do go back to some type of really close Mt. Zion Pete or other great hound breedings; even a few father x daughter crosses, but mostly close linebreeding; it seems like it was usually outcrossed before they got thier best hounds though namely , IFC Able's East Coast Trimmer & FC Dingus MacRae.
Who really knows for sure when to inbreed with good results?; I'm not going back to college and study genetics over it; I just wonder how many culls they had to go through to get that one worth breeding. I've seen enough disturbing results to keep me from trying it.

[Bobby Vest]

I listened to the old breeders years ago and they all said breed 'em tight for the blood and get a good complimentary outcross for performance. Good example Junie, Krissy, Star etc. one hell of a litter. It's not for everyone but nothing is.

[jdmart]

I don't claim to be a line breeder but I have had some great conversations with individuals that are very knowledgable, Dexter and Jim Odle. Jim runs a little different style of dog than we do but he has told me through trial and error you can almost know what the traits will be of a line bred litter if you know the sire and the dam very well. This means good and bad. Some will pick up more of the good traits and some more of the bad traits. But he has said they have done it for years. Producing several FC's. It is not something you just play with and be successful. Oh, you might get lucky and get a great litter. But it won't happen often unless you know what you are breeding and have thought it out. And he has said some won't be what you want. Of course as we all know in KY Dexter knows more about this than anybody and could talk to us for days on the subject. I would forget half of it in the next 24 hours he knows so much about it. My little mind could hold it all. Lol I just tried it with a nephew to his aunt but had bad luck the dam passed away. It was my FC Kaddie's son and Brewer's FC Molly female.

[Emma's Beagles]

jmo but it comes down to a couple o things, first you must really love the female rosie and you better like her alot to do this, second when making this type of breeding you have to understand that the pups from this cross could be good dogs and could be bad dogs, but they should be able to reproduce real well so if you are wanting to make this cross for just good dogs and great performance and you dont care if you can breed them and get good pups or not then you should not, but if you want to tighten rosie's blood up in your kennel and keep it for years to come and maybe get some good pups to then go for it, just depends on your wants and needs of this cross. inbreeding ecspecially old time breeders the coon hunters that i know loved the son to a mother cross, it was there only way to purify the blood that they had and wanted for years to come in there kennel.

[Rabbit Fever]

I have breed father daughter cross before with good luck. But I would not breed brother sister or mother son. If you decide to do this i recomend u keep all the pups Till they are running then cull hard. Just my oppinion

[Ron Conroe]

[Tim H]

This is just my view on it and nothing more but if you have to ask, then you probably have not done enough homework to even know why it is or isn't done. Those giving a direct answer on here as to whether you should or should not do this, clearly do not have enough information to even answer and yet they do answer. I have to come to the conclusion that those who have given a direct answer of yes or no do not know all the variables involved to come to a conclusion on a breeding or they have chosen to ignore all variables other than the relationship of the breeding pair. I am disappointed to see how lightly people take a decision like this even though some of those responding have been successful breeders.

A breeding like this is not for the faint of heart nor for the inexperienced uneducated breeder. With the information given there is no way I could answer this question and don't see how others can either, maybe they know more about the lines involved and have the history in front of them. Without that, how do you begin to know what the results could be?

As always we agree to disagree----I have not made a cross that has me as the breeder unless it was fully researched,thru and thru.As always Few things are harder to put up with as a annoyance of a good example.

You being such a fine example...what makes you think my post would apply to you?

[bbg]

I won't give an opinion on this because I don't know your dogs. I just wanted to say that I have a friend running a female from a mother-son cross and she is awsome. She is near FC lacking only points to finish. And she could do it anywhere.

[Aaron Bartlett]

i cannot beleave all of the ignorant people that have now idea about inbreeding or line breeding. the people who are against need to do some genetic research so when you comment on it you don't sound like a complete idiot. by the way go for it but you better like the mother.

I have read all the posts on this thread and your post is the only one that brings the words "ignorant" and "idiot" to mind! I think most of the responses that folks have made have mainly been one of personal preference. I personally feel it is to close and would not personally do it. I dont need to do any genetic research because it is my opinion and you get my opinion free of charge.....like it or not!

[old blood beagles]

After talking to Dexter about other breedings we started talking about this topic and he told me to go back and look at Anna's Ann. It turns out that the mother to Anna's Ann is a product of a son to mother cross. I dont know if this was a planned breeding or if it just happened but without that breeding in that line of hounds how would the others have turned out? Just something to think about.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

After talking to Dexter about other breedings we started talking about this topic and he told me to go back and look at Anna's Ann. It turns out that the mother to Anna's Ann is a product of a son to mother cross. I dont know if this was a planned breeding or if it just happened but without that breeding in that line of hounds how would the others have turned out? Just something to think about.

Once again Point Made.Very few hounds have entered my pedigrees unless there was some type of breeding most would think was too deep for there likings, something i dont get, ya wont breed a father to daughter but ya will breed a uncle to niece, so if ya wanna look at another angle thats a argument for inbreeding correct? Most call it Linebreeding i still argue the inbreeding case. Oh i know someones gonna quote a book or something but thats ok, we all got opinions.

[old blood beagles]

Jimbo, I dont have a problem with the crosses that have been mentioned. I dont think I would do a full littermate to one another but other than that if you have a specific line that you want to carry on then by all means do it. Linebreeding is a great tool that if used right it could result in some great hounds, but I still believe you better do your homework.