Lots of pups & dogs out there for sale ???

[Eva's Beagles]

I agree totally, it must be wonderful to have that many females in your kennel that are worth breeding, based on their performance and not their pedigree. Brian.

[crittergitter]

i am kinda curious about something, first i will say i have never breed a beagle in my life so i might be way off mark here. dont good lines of beagles start some where,i would think that all good lines of beagles at some point in time , back many generations , started with 2 average dogs , with faults. if i was to breed an average female with a really good male and got one really good pup from that litter, kept it and sold all the other average pups , then breed the pup i kept with a really good dog , and continued do do that wouldnt i eventually begin to get entire litters of what i want?seems to me alot of people think that you should only breed a really good dog to a really good dog , thats great if you have really good dogs to start with, if everyone breed that way you would never have any new lines , just a bunch of crosses of the same few , many beaglers dont have the money to breed that way but still want to improve there own line of dogs which in turn means extra pups for sale, i feel if you are breeding to improve your own dogs you will be eventually be helping the entire breed

[crittergitter]

BTW not trying to be a smart @#$ ,just trying to understand !! and i also agree whole heartedly if you are breeding for a profit only is wrong !

[beaglechase]

I doubt if very few people actually make money on selling pups, myself if I could just break even I would feel lucky there is a lot of exspence to getting puppies up for the market...I thank all those respectible breeders who have advanced the beagle breed to this stage and time, sure you can have good grade dogs that can be bred to other good hounds, but what research could you do on those hounds like susectible dieseases or flaws? and would you wonder if they maybe have a cross of shepherd or jackrussel or fiest or what have you....sure that doesn't stop them from making great hunting partners..and you can kill rabbits from them. sell pups for 25.00dollars but try to cover your exspences if you gave them all their shots wormed them often, and so on. so if the quality pups are only worth 100 dollars where does that leave you with the grade stuff...if the market isn't careful and less breeders try to produce quality hounds, see what happens to the market then....

[bluegrass]

"Breeding for profit".....LMBFFAO



Tony

[PBJ]

I wouldn't think the quality pups would only be worth $100. I would think the average quality pup price would be around $250. I think the quality pups that sell for less is because the litter owner just wants to move em out. Lets face it, if you don't sell them when they are young pups (8 weeks or so) then they are hard to move until they are started. That is alot more time and money invested in health care, food, and possibly starting pen. A friend of mine breeds huskies. He brought up the fact that beagles sell for less and have to do more. Not only does the beagle have to be up to the breed standard, but also must perform in the field. He sells huskies for twice as much as the avg. hunting beagle and all they have to do is be cute little fur balls. His words not mine. Not bashing huskies here just using them as an example. The economy has slowed things down naturally, but if a pup is bred the way I want, I will pay the gas to go get it. I am sure alot of beaglers feel the same way. Gas prices do suck though!

[sgc]

If its a strongly proven cross where theres a long waiting list for pups, out of a strong producing bitch then I can see $250 a pup or more. But not $250 a pup from your typical backyard breeder of any type dog, beagle, husky, or the latest designer dogs. You just don't know what you'll get. To me a backyard breeder gets $100 pup or less now adays with the economy the way it is.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

There just ain't no profit in selling hunting beagles even if you sell them for $300.00 a piece as pups. Dog boxes, feed, kennels, vet bills, meds, gas, starting/conditioning pens or (what is your time worth?)...then there are those that take it one more step and build starting pens $$$$$$$$ and a lot of swet.
To me $100.00 a pup is a joke. I know guys who are paying $500.00 a pup and have guys waiting on them here in Ohio. The initial expense of the pup is nothing compared to the time and expense keeping it happy and healthy for the next decade.

If you're not in it for the love of bettering the breed, trialing, running, or hunting then find another high dollar breed if you want to make $$$
It is easy to see the ones who are trying to make a quick buck when you look at how they keep their kennels and how much they put into their dogs. If done correctly, it will be an expense more times than not.

[PBJ]

Pike Ridge, I completely agree with you. I'm in the hole big time, but I don't care. This is my hobby, not business. I have beagles because I love them and I love to rabbit hunt with them. I want the absolute best for my dogs. I could be putting my money into worst things that is for sure. You just don't think about how much money you have in them. I get so much enjoyment out of owning them it is worth the money to me.

[Eva's Beagles]

Beaglechase, you said everyone of your females came from reputible breeders, but said nothing about how YOU felt they PERFORMED, and what you felt they would contribute to the beagle breed. That leads me to assume that they are out of one of the latest craze studs bred back to another latest craze stud, and you sold a bunch of puppies, and because of that fact you were able to sell entire litters to indivduals that are stud blind to what is popular, and not keep one from that cross for yourself, which in my opinion is the only reason you would breed a female. The last litter I bred, I kept 4 in my family and sold 2, one because he was 17" tall and 1 because he was 13 1/2" tall. I have bred 4 females in the last fifteen years and have 2 in my kennel that I would consider breeding in the future. I only have 10 dogs in my kennel at one time so it takes awhile to find a good one. Brian.

Crittergitter, I agree you have to start somewhere, but you still need to start with something worth starting from. Brian.

[Eva's Beagles]

Beaglechase, I reread your post and it did not say you sold an entire litter to one person, my opologies for insinuating that . Brian.

[Ark]

Breeding for profit".....LMBFFAO

As best I can figure I have just under $400 in a litter that I weaned this week and that sure doesnt include my time.

Stud fee-$150
Vet- $65 (dew claws removed and the pups and momma checked out)
AKC-$45 ($25 to register the litter then $2 per pup x 10)
Wormer-$25-$30
Shots-$65
Food for pups and momma-?

Ill come out OK because she had such a big litter but it doesnt always work out like that.

Five were spoken for before they were 4 weeks old, and another one before they were weaned. Theyre all gone now except for the two that Im keeping and two more males that Ill keep before I take $100 for em.

I had a guy drive 4 hours from Missouri to pick one up and the stud owner drove 2 hours from eastern Arkansas to pick some up.

If its a pup from a breeding that I like and its priced "reasonable", Im not gonna let another $100 or so dollars worth of gas keep me from getting it and they didnt either.

[crittergitter]

i would seem to think that to alot of rabbit hunters out there an average dog is worth breeding to if you think you can improve it by doing so. my point is , not everyone that enjoys running rabbit hounds and hunting rabbits can afford to buy alot of the dogs or pups for that matter , that are out there, i know i cant . it just seems to me every time you hear someone comment on someones so called( sub quallity breedings ), that is alot of times someone who is a breeder that can afford to have very high quallity hounds ( and i am not knocking any high quallity breeders). just because a breeder has alot of money and time invested in his or her dogs dont mean that i or anyone else can afford to pay 2 or 3 hundred bucks for a pup ! i know alot do , but i still bet the majority dont ! just seems like sour grapes to me . for every average pup sold for 50 or 100 dollars that has good hunt in them that there is one less home available for a champion breed one. which in turn means that it is harder to move the high quality dogs. i only hunt and run , i have never or will never be intrested in trialing ,i know that there are alot better hounds out there than what i have and i dont need to go to a trial and have everyone tell me , i am very happy with what i have and i would like to thank all of the so called irresponsible backyard breeders out there for all the affordable puppies you produce you have supplied my rabbit dogs all my life and you will supply them for the rest of my life. fried rabbit backs taste the same shot off a grade dog as they do a high dollar fancy pedigreed dog , prolly a little better , they didnt cost me as much !!

[crittergitter]

also i would like to say that i respect all of the top notch breeders out there i believe that most are really improving the breed and with the money, quality and time you have in your hounds you have every right to charge what you charge, i am just trying to say dont knock the little guys , they really help us poor folks out ! Hey Pike ! i'll bet theres alot of rabbits killed this year that has a $ 100. dog runnin up their behinds !! lol

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Brian.

The price of the pup is not the point but rather the fact that the real money is invested in taking care of the dog for the next decade or so. In addition, my point was that nobody is going to make money selling beagle pups and are lucky to break even if they are a small time breeder and care properly for their hounds, including their running dogs.
I'll bet there will be plenty of rabbits killed by dogs that were given away for free too.
I am glad there are beagle pups for sale that all can afford. We need to keep this sport alive and our hunting heritage strong. That is more important to me than any amount of money.