Cold nose or big nose????

[Pine Mt Beagles]

I THINK ABOUT EVERY ONE HAS THERE OWN IDEA ABOUT THIS SITUATION ,I HAVE HAD DOG'S TO BARK LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WHILE I DON'T LIKE FOR A HOUND TO OPEN UNTIL IT JUMPS.I THINK WE ARE OVER LOOKING A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS TRIALING IF YOUR HOUND DON'T OPEN JUST, A LITTLE EARLY AND GET A MINUSE NOW AND THEN IT WILL HAVE A HARD TIME WINNING IN THE TRIALS.BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT THE HOUNDS OF TODAY ARE LACKING IN NOSE SOME I HAVE WATCHED THESE (COLD TRAILERS AND STRONG NOSED) DOG'S RUN BUNNY'S THAT A GOOD BUNNY DOG COULD NOT EVEN SMELL AND KILL THE BUNNY.I WOULD SUGGEST YOU WATCH THE DOG ON BAD SCENTING DAY'S AND SEE HOW MANY RACES HE SAVES HE COULD BE BETTER THAN YOU THINK OR A NUT .EITHER WAY GOOD LUCK AND
KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

[NorWester]

Is a cold nosed dog more likely to re run tracks if they hunt in the direction that a previous race was run ? I often hear about dogs that cold trail to a jump. The cottontails we run after the morning hour have to be jumped by hard hunting or winded. I like the hot nosed dogs that border on tight mouthed. I have seen too many times the "cold nosed" early opener pull hard hunting dogs out of cover to where that dog has a whiff of something it jumps half of the time. I have seen some big nosed dogs that could run tracks the others could not and with correct mouth.
I have never run hare or run in much snow, but early opening to me is a flaw. Some can live with it. I always remember a comment from an old wabbit hunter. " Just because the others are not mouthing does not mean that they don't smell the same thing". JMO

I would say yes to your first question, usually when the scenting conditions are about perfect. The big difficulty here is the conditions that each individual runs in differ so greatly. The reason that a hound with a cold nose is so valued by a lot of hare hunters is that snowshoe hare live in an environment that can be very difficult for hounds to run in. A hound that may run a cold track where the scenting conditions are ideal the majority of the time may be the only hound that can smell the hare/rabbit when the scenting conditions are poor. Gus wrote,

If the first dog barks on a cold line and the second doesn't bark but they both work the line with dedication until the wabbit is up and then the second hound opens, how can you say that one has a better nose.

It appears that most Hare Hunters like a dog that hunts for a cold line and tracks until the hare is up and moving.

I see that happen from time to time, however what you usually miss is that the dog that is opening on the cold track was also fanning the track with dedication in the same manner (as the second hound in your scenario) before he opened at a time when the others wouldn't pay any attention to the track at all. If I lived in an area where the scenting was ideal I would certainly have no use for a dog that is known to run a cold track in good conditions either. However, that isn't the case and if I was bent on feeding dogs with correct mouths, using the definitions most of you provide I would have no hope of running a hare during the winter here. Fair weather running and so called correct mouth go hand in hand nicely, but if you want to run hare in the north, you're gonna have to get some real nose power and there is a price to be paid with that.

[bill (flint river )]

Your hound has a problem if he's not getting the wrabbit up within a few minutes . When you see him doing this without your correct mouth dogs opening , give him a short boost of about 3 on the TT (use common sense as some hounds need less to realllly get the point) I'd rather make them squall as to have to push the button throughout the hunt . When using a shocking collar the point is to correct the mistake so that it doesn't happen when there's no training collar on that particular dog . I personally think beepers are overused and a shocking collar in the wrong hands will destroy any dog .

When you see a dog giving tail action and knowing he's tracking a wrabbit but none of your other hounds can track with him (he doesn't open until the wrabbit is up or within a couple minutes of being up ) then you got a dog with a big nose .

Just my opinion and it usually isn't worth much .

Buddy

why in the would u shock a hound who can smell a bunny. sell the hound to some who likes a bigger noise hound. and preacher i dont agree with what u said, some hounds have a better noise then others, and when the get enough smell they bark. i hate a tight mouth hound as much as a hate babler. but if they can produce, i will feed them.

Bill , A hound who is continuously barking and not producing within a few minutes is a babbler . You shock them to stop the babbling .

Oh yeah btw Preacher is right and you are wrong as usual .


Buddy

were not talking about babling, were talking about cold noise hound, 2 huge difrent. i am comon to the conclusion u may not know what a good beagle is....

[BuschBound]

I'll take a hound that is quick to claim and will run a old track well before going out with a hound that has to have a hot track under it before it barks. what happens when the scenting goes bad on you and that dog can't even run a fresh one? The quick claimer and cold trailer would probally still accomplish more than the other dog that has to have it hot.. I don't like the extra barks but will put up with some if it puts game in the bag.. I agree not enough nose is in some of the hounds of today. but I think its getting better.
Alot of trialers want the hounds out in front and have forgotten everything else about what a beagle is suppose to have. I think speed is the least important attribute a houndsman should breed for. This is probally the easiest thing to breed into hounds. Getting nose, brains hunt and mostly desire into a hound is more important to me. You can get Speed in one breeding it may take years to get the other traits to fall into place. This is just my opinion.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

bill if u wanna call it a better nose gfo ahead i call it less brains..and if u dont agree thats fine by me but thats how i see it ....jude thx for the words not hard to tell when folks like the same kinda dogs and those that will settle for other things .. and thats fine u feed what u like ...

[klrconcrete]

Dave, (Buschbound) perfectly said! Kurt Robinson

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

TO ME IS THAT THE HOUNDS OF TODAY ARE LACKING IN NOSE SOME I HAVE WATCHED THESE (COLD TRAILERS AND STRONG NOSED) DOG'S RUN BUNNY'S THAT A GOOD BUNNY DOG COULD NOT EVEN SMELL AND KILL THE BUNNY.

+1

[TC]

Well I got a couple here that are Cold nosed and will open Early But on those bad sent days they are the first ones in the box.....
One of my Dogs Is waht some would call mouthy opens early on the sent all the other dogs will honor him and Run to him as soon as he opens and then follow the line until they get it up. i have been told by others that they wouldnt own that Dog..
OH Well they dont have to!!!!
he has minused out on More than One occasion LOL
I have seen this same Dog pick up a line at -10 degrees in Pine Forrest or at 90 in the sagebrush.
this same dog has been known to get stuck in the check area a few times also But i have also seen this Dog get the check more than once on a lot of days and keep the race going.
besides i like his voice and could listen to him all day so the extra mouth Dont Bother me. as long as He produces i KNOW when this Dog opens there is a rabbit there.

Hey preacher I Guess you Wouldnt OWN ol Runner huh he is also a colder nosed hound and will open before the others BUT I GARANTEE when he opens the rabbit is a commin..
So yall can keep your HOT NOSED dogs I am In it for the Race anyways so it Dont Bother me to Listen to the hounds a little more than Some.
Would I Own a whole pack like Him? No!! but like i said before If i am hunting Rabbits he is the First in the box.....
Feed What ya like and like what ya Feed.

[bgbub10]

you tell them tc,i have a cold nose hound and i wouldnt take a farm in georgia for him.

[J. JUDE]

I agree with jude preacher is right and you are wrong.......








JAMIE,

[bill (flint river )]

I agree with jude preacher is right and you are wrong.......








JAMIE,

LOL............ u 2 are 2 pee's in one pot. some hounds have a better noise, i am not going to argue with guys who dont seem to understand, it simple some hounds are faster, some work a check better. hounds are diffrent just like people. were i live i can deal with a few extra barks, because THEY CAN SMELL IT BETTER THEN THE NEXT HOUND.. hope u could understand that.

[JUDE]

why in the would u shock a hound who can smell a bunny. sell the hound to some who likes a bigger noise hound. and preacher i dont agree with what u said, some hounds have a better noise then others, and when the get enough smell they bark. i hate a tight mouth hound as much as a hate babler. but if they can produce, i will feed them.

Bill , A hound who is continuously barking and not producing within a few minutes is a babbler . You shock them to stop the babbling .

Oh yeah btw Preacher is right and you are wrong as usual .


Buddy

were not talking about babling, were talking about cold noise hound, 2 huge difrent. i am comon to the conclusion u may not know what a good beagle is....

Bill I have been on these boards long enough to know you are a mouth piece . You stick your nose where it doesn't belong very often but that's ok there's room enough on these boards for all of us as long as we obey the rules .
I assume your dogs are babbling idiots and I also assume you're too DUMB to know it . You feed what you like as Preacher just said . You and your hounds must have a small brain .

[J. JUDE]

[quote="bill (flint river )"][quote="J. JUDE"]I agree with jude preacher is right and you are wrong.......








JAMIE, [/quote]

LOL............ u 2 are 2 pee's in one pot. some hounds have a better noise, i am not going to argue with guys who dont seem to understand, it simple some hounds are faster, some work a check better. hounds are diffrent just like people. were i live i can deal with a few extra barks, because THEY CAN SMELL IT BETTER THEN THE NEXT HOUND.. hope u could understand that.[/quote]


Bill you and your hounds must be babbling idiots




JAMIE.

[hillbilly]

a big AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to preacher and i will add this if you like "a big nose" meaning a dog that opens wayyyyyyyyyy before the others and that is what you like their are alot of dogs out their for you to choose from but if you like a dog with a big nose and he has the brain to keep his mouth shut till the rabbit is runable the number of dogs you have to choose from just droped dramaticly...


hillbilly

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Trust me, I like a dog with a big nose, brains and a tight mouth, but in certain parts of the country a big nosed dog is necessary and occasionally they bark early. For a hunter this is no big deal but it might be in certain trial formats. Not everyone lives in climates that produce above average scent during hunting season.
I currently have three at PRB and two are tight mouthed and I have a 7 month old hard hunting aggressive female that I just love to pieces but she does open early. She also gets a lot of jumps, checks and is credited for keeping some chases going on those "tuff" scent days. She has been doing this since she was 5 months old. I am very happy with her most of the time. Back in the early 80's I had some decent dogs and killed many rabbits in front of them but they were definitley what many would call babblers. In frosty mornings they would drive me nuts. I would never go back to that style dog. I understand that frustration.

But, to each his/her own. Feed what you like as the saying goes.