Any idea what's wrong with this eye? (Pics)

kjohn2hunt · Post by **kjohn2hunt** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:57 pm

My female's eye was almost covered with a cherry, and I used this ointment and it was gone in 2 days used it on another dog an it was gone the next day.I had a friend have one cut out of a rotwiler an it went blind in that eye.will not cut one out as long as this medicine works.

Jernizzle · Post by **Jernizzle** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:56 pm

huntinfool-

I was curious if you took your dog to the vet and what he/she said. I think it looks like a condition called entropian. I think I spelled it right. It is more prone to "wrinkley" faced dogs. It is basically the "inner" eyelid swelling over the eyeball. I have dealt with it on occasion with my bulldogs. A medicated eye drop given for about two weeks will reduce the inflamation and it will go back down to normal.

-Jeremy

simple pleasure kennels · Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:45 am

i use eye antibiotic drops you can apply pressure with eylid closed and get it back in position where it was if you dont treat it can become permanent and need removal.

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:31 am

Entropian is when the bottom lid folds in towards the eye and the lashes continually scratch the lens. Here is a site with info on this problem

http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/canine.htm

Leah

Beagle Huntsman · Post by **Beagle Huntsman** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:17 pm

Leah is telling you what is wrong with the eye. She knows her stuff...listen to her.

It's a cherry eye and it's a hereditary fault. It is best corrected by the "tuck down" or "tack down" procedure done by a vet.

huntinfool · Post by **huntinfool** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:31 pm

Thanks Wind, I haven't taken her to the vet. It came back yesterday, but it's gone again today. Just been coming and going.

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:05 pm

huntinfool wrote:Thanks Wind, I haven't taken her to the vet. It came back yesterday, but it's gone again today. Just been coming and going.

My first showdog was a buff cocker spaniel. everytime he would get excited and play hard he'd pop a cherry eye. Each time it went back down and this happened throughout his life. I never had it tacked or removed and he died at about 11 years old. When I have it in a puppy I have it tacked. I wouldn't exclude a dog from breeding because of it because there are many factors that contribute to it but, if I were getting a lot of it say from one dog or bitch they'd be done ;-) I think it can be environmental as well as hereditary.

If its only happening occasionally I wouldn't get to worried but, if the dog is hunting and it comes up it could get snagged in the brush which could cause a lot of problems.

Leah

BlueIceBeagles · Post by **BlueIceBeagles** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:45 am

Windkist wrote: When I have it in a puppy I have it tacked. I wouldn't exclude a dog from breeding because of it because there are many factors that contribute to it but, if I were getting a lot of it say from one dog or bitch they'd be done ;-) I think it can be environmental as well as hereditary.

Have you ever had a dog or bitch with a cherry eye that didn't produce it at all?
I'm just curious because I have an 18 month old bitch who just developed this in both eyes and it doesn't seem to be going away this time. She had it once @ 6 months, but it went away in a day or two. The vet wants to remove it, and she'll have to have her eyes medicated with opthalmic ointment from now on. I'm not sure if I'll have it removed or tacked since the tacking is so expensive.
I'd be interested in knowing if you had a dog that had the condition but didn't produce it because I am thinking of having her spayed when the nictating membrane is removed or tacked. There are so many good hounds without problems, I'm just leery of breeding to one who does.

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:08 pm

BlueIceBeagles wrote:
Windkist wrote: When I have it in a puppy I have it tacked. I wouldn't exclude a dog from breeding because of it because there are many factors that contribute to it but, if I were getting a lot of it say from one dog or bitch they'd be done ;-) I think it can be environmental as well as hereditary.
Have you ever had a dog or bitch with a cherry eye that didn't produce it at all?
I'm just curious because I have an 18 month old bitch who just developed this in both eyes and it doesn't seem to be going away this time. She had it once @ 6 months, but it went away in a day or two. The vet wants to remove it, and she'll have to have her eyes medicated with opthalmic ointment from now on. I'm not sure if I'll have it removed or tacked since the tacking is so expensive.
I'd be interested in knowing if you had a dog that had the condition but didn't produce it because I am thinking of having her spayed when the nictating membrane is removed or tacked. There are so many good hounds without problems, I'm just leery of breeding to one who does.

I've had so few cherry eyes that I can't say I've bred 2 together that had it. I know of a couple of dogs that seemed to produce a lot of it. Was your bitch in an area that is dusty? Many times allergies can cause it. If you really like her and think she is an asset to your breeding program then you might try her once. If she is So-So then spay her and move her along. I would tack those down though not remove. You don't want a dog with dry eye. My vet charges 80.00 to tack but, I think he's a minority. Do some calling around though because its not that hard of a procedure.

Leah

Beagle Huntsman · Post by **Beagle Huntsman** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:36 pm

It's definitely hereditary. I've seen enough of it from certain lines, especially some show lines. If you breed her, you'll pass it on and will probably see it later. Be prepared for that.

I believe nearly every problem in beagles (and humans too, for that matter) is in some way related to genetics. For example, even if dust caused the problem, the weakness in the eye was inherited. Some hounds would never be affected, while others would be. Kinda like some people can smoke and never get cancer, but others die early.

We need to be breeding hounds that are as sound physically as possible. It's the only way to pass on something worthwhile to those that come after us.

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:21 pm

We need to be breeding hounds that are as sound physically as possible. It's the only way to pass on something worthwhile to those that come after us.

I tend to agree to a certain extent. I never throw the baby out with the bathwater and neither should anyone else. There are some severly disabling problems in our dogs and I would never want to breed any with those. Epilepsy, cataracts,hip dysplasia to name a few. Cherry eye is pretty benign as are Umbilical hernias so, if you have a hound that is exceptional you should really consider if the good outweighs the bad. I do not believe all cherry eyes are hereditary. I have a bitch who had one who has never produced one in 3 litters. Her daughter has not either. Not to say it won't happen but, I sure am glad I have to the 2 of them.

Leah

Beagle Huntsman · Post by **Beagle Huntsman** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:10 pm

Personally, I try not to produce puppies that might cost a new owner money in vet bills, such as to repair a cherry eye. Also, just because a hound does not have offspring with cherry eyes cetainly does not mean the trait is not being passed on. Traits have amazing ways to skip generations as a recessive.

I think it's fairly easy to breed cherry eyes out of your bloodline, if you know where it's coming from and you avoid mulitplying those lines. Sometimes (rarely) you have no choice but to "breed through" a weakness. Outcrosses can be a huge help, although they often bring new challenges to solve.