What stud dog would you want a pup from?

Beagleman973 · Post by **Beagleman973** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:57 pm

J. Murphy,

I'm supposed to be working now and don't have a copy of Hounds and Hunting with me, but if you look in there you will see quite a few placing. If you don't get that magazine, I'll look it up tonight and give you a few names.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:53 pm

John-I have a male and female due soon out of Trapper-so i am close enough for you to see them run when they get here--the female is 3 years old and the male is app one year-but are supose to be super hounds 13" nice conformation speed and brains.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:54 pm

Guest above is me ==REBEL

Bopeye · Post by **Bopeye** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:28 pm

Here's what I'm doing. Wrong, right or indifferent will be left to be seen.

I got with a guy who has the kind of dogs I'm looking for. Was going to breed a gyp to his stud, but instead have decided to buy two pups from him. Same stud with two different dams. We'll see what happens.

The stud is Syris, so I have high hopes.

Even if the pups aren't everything I am hoping for, I will at least have a good foundation bloodline.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 01, 2003 7:46 pm

Christine,

Smoke and Diamonds are fast or at least fast as any other 13" hounds I've seen run in the Midwest Association. However their littermate, Angel, which I own is more of a medium speed hound. All three are nice hounds and have produced nice pups. I'm sure you'll be well satisfied with the pup your getting out of Diamonds and Sammy. I have a 13" male out of Sammy that I like pretty well. I didn't take a pup out of Diamonds this time. Instead Earl and I are going to split the litter out of Misy, her mother, and Sammy. I'm crossing my fingers in hope of getting another litter that turns out as good as Smoke, Diamonds, and Angel's litter. If you'd like to take a look at a few out of Smoke and Sammy feel free to visit my site, http://www.fuzzkennels.com Speck and Diesel are Smoke pups. Rowdy is a Sammy pup.

Beagleman,

I think you're confused. We're talking about the Midwest Beagle Gundog Association, not midwest United States. I'm sure Pro is a nice hound and probably produced a lot of nice hounds, but NONE of them have placed in the Midwest Beagle Gundog Association. The last I knew Hounds and Hunting was a magazine for brace hounds and very very conservative SPO hounds. Brace and conservative are definite two things you'll not find in the the Midwest Association.

Bopeye,

If those two Syris pups turn out like their sire, they should be some darn fine hounds.

DG TX · Post by **DG TX** » Thu May 01, 2003 8:06 pm

FC John's Buck VII. Because he is producing rabbit hounds and the blood behind him

*Fuzz* · Post by ***Fuzz*** » Thu May 01, 2003 8:53 pm

Crap I can find where you log in at now that we've changed looks. Christine, Earl asked me to tell you to email him at erice407@aol.com Diamonds pups are due in about 2 weeks.

tnbeagleman · Post by **tnbeagleman** » Thu May 01, 2003 10:07 pm

Alabama I think Marboro man is out of New City Screaming Renegade Renegade is son of Crusier Marboro man belongs to Jimmy Givens and Renegade belongs to Marvin Barton I've had dogs from these breeds and the fastes male around here may be Skyveiw Cliff he is out of Renegade and belongs to Barney Barton he is a 14 3/4 ' lemon and white. If you want more info drop me an e-mail.

Christine · Post by **Christine** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:04 am

Fuzz, thanks, I just e-mailed Earl... couldn't be more nervous about those pups... I'm new to beagling and this is going to be my first good rabbit hound

jason_beagles · Post by **jason_beagles** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:07 am

Fuzz

I was wondering how a Pro dog was placing in the Mid-West. I only heard of Mid-West when talking about the Mid-West Gundog Assoc.

Beagleman

It is true that some of the east coast SPO hounds are slow. As you go north into PA the hounds get stronger. I never heard of any fast dogs out of the Shorts line. Matter of fact I know of one Short dog that was called super fast while in Ill, but it is the slowest dog the guy owns.

Beagleman973 · Post by **Beagleman973** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:08 am

I am talking about midwest beagle gundog association and while Hounds and Hunting does still show Brace results, it also shows results from King City, Silver Creek, as well as trials in the north, south and east. And pups from Pro have placed and won in these formats. In fact, I think at last count he has produced 20+ SPO field champions.

In fact, my friends hound that I have spoken about has won in these formats, has several seconds, one at Okaw Valley I believe as well as Goshen Trails, etc, and last month won Illinois State, which was not a licensed trial.

Each to their own, favorite hounds and stud dogs are like opinions. Everyone has one. My intention was not to politic for Pro, but to give someone another option., but you have to give Pro his due, he is producing, whether you personally like him or not. The proof is easy to obtain, trial records are easy to find. I'm happy with the hounds in my kennel as I'm sure you are happy with the ones in yours and that's all that really counts.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:20 am

John:
I dont get H&H.TAB is the only one I can afford.If you can find a couple of those dogs names and the owners names along with the trials they placed in I would be interested in hearing.Thanks a bunch.

J.Murphy

Beagleman973 · Post by **Beagleman973** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:39 am

J. Murphy,

Sometime over the weekend I'll look up the info and post it under this topic. What trial, dog's name, owner etc. There's too many to post them all, but I'll give you some of the latest.

John

jason_beagles · Post by **jason_beagles** » Fri May 02, 2003 11:09 am

Pro is producing. He does get that credit.

Silver Creek is not part of the list of Mid-West Gundog Assoc. clubs. Sivler Creek runs a slower dog. Here is the link to the clubs http://mid-west-gundog.com/clubs.htm

Jamie Rice · Post by **Jamie Rice** » Fri May 02, 2003 11:11 am

Jason,
There hasn't been any Pro dogs place in licensed trials in the Midwest Beagle Gundog Association. I think Beagleman is confused.

Beagleman,
The clubs that you mentioned aren't Midwest Association clubs. Unless I'm highly mistaken, I'd bet they're UBGF or likewise style clubs. Those clubs are SPO clubs and yes they do post in H&H, but like I said they're more conservative style clubs. No one is saying Pro isn't a good hound nor a proven producer. I think the doubt is whether or not he's producing run to catch style hounds. That I'd have to say, no they're not what we that run in the Midwest Assocation call run to catch hounds. Compared to the Midwest Beagle Gundog Assocation every other SPO federation/assocation is a lot slower. Sure Midwest Association hounds may be probably rougher than what some other SPO sects run, however on a hard drive there's not a doubt in my mind that the slowest Midwest Association hound would stretch the fastest Pro hound you can find.

And just so you know I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to argue, beacuse I agree 100% with your to each to their own comments. However less not manipulate the public into believing something that just isn't right. Pro dogs aren't placing in the Midwest Assocation and aren't fast.

Christine,
Great... Where bouts are you from and what sex of puppy are you buying from Earl?