Fastest dog from open to grand champion

[BJK]

Crain's HH Red Lilly. She made champion in 3 hunts. Two first places and one second. Consecutively.

[WrongsideRandy]

I remember a dog named Smooth Running Buck who I was told went from open to Grand in PP in less than 10 trials. I think he was for sale in 2003 and he was a young, young dog and a Grand Champion. A guy named Etroy bought him.

Maybe some of you guys remember this dog.....Glomski, you remember Buck?


Catch you all later,
Randy


BTW........Didnt Elwood have a dog that was a UKC dual Grand Champion before it was a year old........or am I mistaken

[Redtick]

Elwood Simmons did have a dog he got from Dale Prunty that I am fairly sure finished as a Dual Grand Champion before he was a year old. I think Elwood said he died but he has another dog from Dale that is doing well.

[db215]

I got some information from another guy about a dog named "Branko's Sugar Ray" and he said this dog granded out in UKC very young and championed out in AKC by the time he was 3. He didn't know anything else except he thought he was out of Lumberjack. Anyone know anything about this dog. thanks

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I ran with him and he didnt impress me, wasnt anymore than a rabbit dog.

[Redtick]

Most of the Champion beagles I have hunted with were "just rabbit dogs". A few were even far less than that. I have seen a very few truely outstanding beagle rabbit dogs, a couple of them were Champions.
No offence Swing, I was just offering my opinion.

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What I was getting at was, they promote that dog like he can walk on water. I wouldnt trade anything I got in my pen for him and some of mine arent 4 months old.
And I dont say mine are anymore than rabbit dogs, but they do know the front of the track from the back.

[WELLS WOODS]

I judged Sugar Ray and I thought he looked SUPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!But I guess someone in the gallery saw a lot more than I did that day. Someone usually does somehow. This dog probably got 70% of the checks that day and controlled the front end. He saved the rabbit several times in the swampy areas or the race would have been over. He did make a few mistakes, but so did every dog there at one time or another. I don't forget all the good things a dog has done just because of one or two mistakes. I can give a detailed description of every hound that placed that day. 1st place: good hunt, strong nose, very aggressive working a check, powerful out of a check, strong & fast on the drives with good control, extra mouth at times, but nothing too extreme; 2nd place: good hunt, very clean mouth, fast; not enough nose to win that day, but a nice dog for sure, 3rd place: medium speed, good hunt, picked some super checks, but had extra mouth at times, good dog but probably not FC quality. 4TH PLACE: good hunt, medium speed, close check work, extra mouth at times, but not as bad as third place hound, needed more confidence coming out of a check; seemed to hesitate, good rabbit hound though; NBQ: good hunt , fast, but a little wide in the check area, also a little tight mouthed at times; probably has the talent to be a winner with some solo work; great potential. ANY QUESTIONS???????

[db215]

I have been getting some pm messages and here is 3 dogs that some said did good, maybe someone knows more about these dogs:

1. Green River Traveler (Harrison's Spec x Green River Frosty) in SPO finished in 7 trials, believe to be out of Ohio in the 90's owned by Bennie Prater ????

2. Budd's Little Hokie High finished in 8 trials SPO ??? in 96 (FC Hidden Hill Lucky x Belle's Neck Molly) that's all they knew.

3. INT. FD. CH. Wild Creek Licorice (FC Thorn Gap Bad Jack x Maple Hollow Ginger Snap) youngest fc champion 13 months, youngest int. fc. at 27 months in SPO trials ( early 90's) no other information.

Maybe someone else knows more about these dogs or others and I don't minded relaying information, just give me all you got on the dog.

[Jesse Duncan]

hey db215,

give me a call. Like to hear about those pups. home (765) 342-9252 or my cell (765)516-0232. Jesse Duncan

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Greg,
I aint questioning your judging ability, I'd say you were one of the best judges I have ever been judged under, but I guess I was looking for a little more out of a FC than what I was seeing.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

I GOT ONE FOR YA ,I TOOK CODYS SHARP JACKSON FROM OPEN TO GRAND ,GOT STRIPPED FROM GRAND THANKS TO A PAPERWORK ERROR
TOOK HIM BACK TO OPEN AND DID IT AGAIN ALL THOUGH IT DID TAKE A WHILE GOOD DOGS CAN REPEAT THERE FEAT IF ALLOWED

[DRamey]

Jimmy, I remember when all that happened. Felt really bad for ol' Jackson though I doubt he worried about it much. Lynn Perkins ran with him in a trial when he was up in years and he said that he was as tough at 7 or 8 as any young hound he ever saw. Is he still living, and are there any young hounds out of him doing well? I'd like to hear more about him, as I believe that he was stripped of his accomplishments by those who were afraid to run against him. Good day to you, David Ramey

[WELLS WOODS]

SWING, If you would have seen everything I saw that day, you would have a different opinion about Sugar Ray. I remember on one particular run along the lake( probably the best run we had) he got at least 7 or 8 checks in a row and was running 30 yards in front of everything on the drives. Then once we saw the swamper double back and we didn't think the dogs were ever going to find it. Sugar Ray worked it out and soloed it right by us. He did mess up in front of the gallery, but I'm not worried about what LITTLE BIT the gallery sees at a trial, I worry about ALL of what I see. A FC is just a rabbit dog that has proved that it is pretty consistent (3 wins & 120 points). No that wasn't the greatest performance I'd ever seen, but he did plenty enough to win that day. Whether the quality of competition was there ; well it's hard to say with only 14 entries, but I would say this dog is FC quality without thinking twice. One thing I can't stand is to here negative comments about a dog that I know for a fact is a nice hound. I liked your dog too and I told you that I had him third and the other judge had another dog third. We decided to watch those two on the next pass and the other judge's pick got two tough checks right in front of us, so I had to give in on 3rd & 4th.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

HEY RAMEY BY THE WAY JACKSON IS STILL GOING HE LIVES IN TAYLORSVILLE WITH A GREAT OL FELLOW ABOUT 90 YEARS YOUNG LAST TIME I SPOKE TO HIM JACKSON WAS DOING WELL LAYING BY THE FIREPLACE HE SAID,I ONLY BRED JACKSON TO A CERTAIN FEW BUT NEVER CAME UP WITH THE MAIN CROSS TOMMY SHOUSE HAS A NICE HOUND CALLED CJ THAT HAS WON ABOUT EVERYTHING ARHA HAD TO OFFER.YOU KNOW I STLL MISS JACKSON,HE COULD SURE SHOW UP WHEN NEED BE ,HE WAS ALSO THE MAIN REASON I WENT TO AKC-ARHA IS TO THIS DAY TO MUCH CONFUSION FOR ME ,TO MANY CHIEFS NOT ENOUGH INJUNS-BUT HAVE MADE SEVERAL LIFELONG FRIENDS THRU IT
GERALD BAILEY ABOUT RUINT THE WHOLE SHOW