Gentics-Gun Dog Beagle

dabo · Post by **dabo** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:37 pm

Well I think we bout covered it all. I gotta go as I am late for my Yiddish lesson!

Joe West · Post by **Joe West** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:37 pm

Don't worry about the spellen Bob if we wuz marked on that I'd fail every time.

The good doctor was just haveing fun. His posts shouldn't have fooled anyone except the newest beaglers though because they lacked any substance. c'mon doc you phoney sob jump back in it was fun anyway. Heck imagine me being able to out talk a PHD.

No doc ain't no phoney I take it back.

Hey Bob if you got docs e-mail tell him to come back will ya.

kjohns · Post by **kjohns** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:56 pm

If it's over I'd like to say, EXCELLENT DISCUSSION! I think I learned more from this thread than any other I've read. And it was pretty useful information too.

Don't know what I'm gonna do now though!!

Guess I'll have to go run the dogs! I'll tell you one thing. I'm sure the dogs and rabbits don't care to much about the gene pool, as long as the race is on!

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:21 pm

Mr. West
Seeing as some do not know the differance between A professor At University of oregon & A Genetic scientist at Oregon State University And must resort to slander And me stateing something with no substance I see no need for any futher desucusion Do you

Dr David Truman Genetic Science O.S.U.

Professor U. Of O.

Post by **Bev** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:33 pm

LOL! G'night John-Boy.

Packman II · Post by **Packman II** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:27 pm

Hey Bev!

Is this what you would call a "SEXUAL INTELLICTUAL" if I didn't spell it right then you know I am not one!

PACKMAN

Joe West · Post by **Joe West** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:30 pm

Bob: It's your turn about what you do with your hounds!

dabo · Post by **dabo** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 5:30 pm

I sell them to the circus.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:19 pm

whoops

Joe West · Post by **Joe West** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:13 pm

If your that ashamed of your program maybe you should change it.

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:25 pm

Not sure I understand your conclusion on that. For one thing it is none of your darn business what I do with my hounds. Where I grew up in Alabama, we don't ask personal questions. We mind our own business and I suggest you do the same.

Joe West · Post by **Joe West** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:46 am

Sorry Bob didn't mean to ask a personal question. To my way of thinking it is not a personal question but just what would be asked of any breeder one might seek a hound from. Your success rate is extrodinarily low based upon your staement " I can breed 5 litteres and cull all but 2 or 3 pups and have been for a long time". That statement peaked my interest to be quite honest and I had been wondering about those numbers and me not knowing anything about your program it was just natural to ask. Understand I'm not interested in what you do with the culls but more when you cull. At first I thought you had mis-typed and you meant that you had only 2 or 3 culls per year but that would make your success rate, over the long haul, extrodinarily high. Now I didn't want to come to the conclusion that your hounds were incapable of produceing based upon a single statement but the way you wrote that it is the way it sounds; so instead of jumping to that conclusion I asked for more info.

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:15 am

Ya when I have litters only 1 or 2 will run a rabbit. Out of 3 litters a year only one pup will track and they don't start until they are 3 or 4. Sorriest family of dogs you ever seen. In my last litter they all had 5 legs except one and it ain't for sale. it is the first pup I have had that was completely normal. The only fault it had was curly hair like a Poodle but I am working on breeding that out. Good luck!!

roygu · Post by **roygu** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:26 pm

Joe W have you read the original, The Art of Breeding Better Dogs, by Onstott. I seemed to remember a statement relating to breeding and culling that was left out of the revised eddition.

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:42 pm

Joe you always take things out of context when you quote someone. I don't breed dogs for the public. I have no web site like you and I am not a public kennel. I am a private breeder breeding Beagles for my own use. I only occasionally sell a dog but do give a lot away. When you quote me, make sure you know all the facts which I thought I had clarified before. I said I don't have to sell pups to keep my kennel going. I gave away a broke bitch 2 months ago to a fellow from MO and he said she schooled a pack of dogs and was a briar eating machine. His name is Bryan Waddle from La Plata, Mo. and you can email him and ask him how hif free dog is doing. He has been on this board and responded to a free ad I put in the trading post on this board. I sell very few dogs, maybe one a year or so. I did just sell a 15 month old bitch to a man for 1,000.00. Whe you don't have to sell them, it means I have a lot to choose from and can keep just 2 or 3 out of each years crop. It only means that my selection process is very strict and I can afford to only keep the few that meet a very high standard. I don't SELL my castoffs like a lot of people and when someone buys a dog from me, they know it is one that would suit me 100%. Anything less than that I just give away. The bitch I gave Mr Waddle was a complete dog except she was slow working a check and I only feed 4 or 5 that have to be as perfect as I can produce. I am in charge of quality control around here and I know my job very very well. I also farm out a lot of dogs and keep the breeding rights in case I need some of their genetics later on. As a rule, every pup in a litter will make a rabbit dog. Some are better than others and those are the ones I keep. It is common sense that the more severely you cull the better your stock will be. Some I cull at 2 months because of looks or conformation or temperment etc. Some are culled at 6 months for the same reasons and some are culled at 1 or 2 years old for lack of performance. It is simple common sense. You say my success rate is low? That is because we have an entirely differant definition of SUCCESS. I would guess that my standards are a little higher that some because I can afford to be picky when I don't need to sell dogs. I am breeding them for me and I only keep 4 or 5 at a time to hunt with because it only takes 1 dog to run a rabbit. If I ever do sell a pup or older dog, it is 100% gaurenteed or money back. I hope this satisfies your curiosity about my dogs.