What is wrong with people?

[Joeyman]

Enjoy and smoke a fattie then go hunting maybe it will be fun again. Always remember It aint how ya sweat the petty things its how ya pet the Sweaty Things.

& silver bullets?

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Nah too cold for bullets but you do get the general ideal. Lets keep things fun with a gun, when its all over screw anybody that drops on me, i went off last year and came real close too shooting a guys dog but then Mr Common sense will mason talked me outta of it. Its all about some fu*^&(% Respect which very few have anymore.

[APFII]

One question though. so you wouldn't have mind at all that they could of killed someone in your hunting party or one of the dogs? or maybe even pepper one of the dogs?

So one question for you. So you "wouldn't have mind at all" ,that your confrontation and F-bomb attack could have caused the same result?

[Joeyman]

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[TrippleBFarms]

Joeyman I dont know if you were right or wrong it is hard for me to say what i would have done in that situation, but what i do know is this board would be alot more boreing without your post. Thanks Brian Combs

[Bunnyblaster]

joeyman, since you asked what I would have done. I would have introduced myself , called the rest of my party over and introduced them as well . Invited the folks who by your own admission don't get out very often to join us in some fun. I would have explained the game to them as we went along. I would have paired them up with my guys to lend a personal hand to everyone of them . If they declined I would have asked them where they intended to hunt and if it was right there then my party would have left after wishing them good luck. It's called sportsmanship, and the right thing to do.

Why is it that they are not responsible for their own actions and "doing the right thing"??? Maybe instead of inviting them along on your hunt and/or moving to a different spot just to accommodate them you could preach your sermon about how to be a good sportsman to them?? They may listen and they may not.....who knows?? Again I'm sorry but anyone that's gonna carry a gun into the field with others out there as well should take better care than that. These guys may have really just made an honest mistake.........again, who knows?? But do you really want to go off hunting with these guys?? Risking your own safety with anyone who doesn't even have enough common sense to ASK if they can join your hunt and shoot over your dogs?? But hey I guess why would you, they obviously had already invited themselves along so you asking would just be a technicality at that point huh??

To each his own I suppose........joey handled it his way and you are welcome to do it your own way too..........and I would not fault either of you. But I am very careful about who I invite along to hunt with me and I have to say disrespectful strangers who are obviously in short supply of common sense are not at the top of my list by any stretch.

gwyoung, I realize it is your opinion and to an extent I applaud you for the willingness to help others. But I also think it is just as dangerous to let guys like this tag along with you, your buddies and your dogs as it is to start yelling at someone holding a gun. Who knows, they may jump shoot one of your dogs before you even get the chance to explain to them your rules..........if they even listen to those. jmo

[jimb1069]

Joeyman,

I was on the fence with this situation and just reading the comments UNTIL you started defending yourself. It went sour from there. You asked for comments but not sure yet you want to listen, Obviously the situation would upset us all but you asked if you were wrong and several guys made good points saying you were. No one is hanging you out to dry because you lost you cool but don't expect everyone to pat your back when you obviously had other options.

[gwyoung]

bunnyblaster, I had every intention of preaching my sermon to them. What do you think I meant when I said "explaining the game to them". And as far as taking people like these, ( people who obviously don't understand the game and are probably new at it) along with me I have done exactly that hundreds of times without any incidents, unless you call smiles on people's faces, laughter, and fond memories incidents. I wonder how the hell people around your area learn to hunt if no one thinks it is their responsibility to help? You know those folks that I took out because I thought it was my responsibility they learned the proper way to do things and therefore did not make the ignorant mistakes the good folks Joeyman encountered did. Seems like some hunters in this area of Missouri are part of the problem. It's sad that those men and children may have to leave that area of Missouri to learn about sportsmenship as no-one there apparently thinks it is their responsibility to help.
joeyman, did i miss your explanation on calling the ten year olds idiots and stupid? And exactly what do you think is wrong with life in Mayberry, aside from the folks falling all over you wanting to help!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Since we are all telling tales heres mine. About 8 years ago i was by myself on a farm that i had permission too hunt i had 6 dogs and a unlimted time frame after about 3 miles of hunting from the truck i decided to take a break, i was probaly a two limit into it and man they were getting heavy. Take for granted for years rules of kentucky game wardens meant little to me i never wore any and i mean any orange, mostly cuz i hunted were few would tread much less want the law to draw any unwanted attn too...... But i was always safe thats how i was taught, dont shoot into briars or not knowing where all the dogs were or hunters.Anyways while i was resting and burning a fattie i heard a dog hit probaly a few hundred yards off , so i ashed it out put back on my new game vest with several rabbits.Which by the way i had cut all the orange off of, and precided to ck out my next kill.By the time i arrived it was over a nice woven wire fence and the race was on, HMMMMM I aint exactly suppose to be there thats outta bounds. After hoping ol roger rabbit would come thru the fence he did not. I crossed over kinda scared heard the ol boy was a real prick that hated the world. And btw was a pretty big hemp producer.
Well i carefully perched above big ol bull doze pile. Sure enuff here comes the rabbit right towards my ninja type skilled shooting. Bam end of story heeee heee guess i won. As i step down off the pile a stick breaks and i break my ankle i imittently puked oh my god that hurt like hell... Guess you all that are reading know the rest ,here comes 2 guys on a gator with a german shepard that acts like it has rabies and they both are packing.. Now with that being said finish the story and i want to know what you would have done.......There will be a lesson later just want You in this little Pickle.

[Salzer mtn]

In the first post Joey said, what do you guy's think. For those that said i would have done the same thing or Joey you did the right thing. Look at it like this for a moment. What if Joey goes and does it again and gets shot and killed the next time. Can you then sleep at night knowing you might have had a part in giving Joey advice that he did the right thing and it ended up in death. What if your own son called you up and told you he had done as Joey, What would your response be then, Yea, way to go, you did the right thing and then your son got into the same situation again and he got shot and killed. How could you live with yourself ?

[Joeyman]

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[Joeyman]

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[bucks better beagles]

Joey, you asked for opinions but when you get them you act like a little kid. Don't ask for what you don't want. As long as people were agreeing with you, everything was fine but, when they disagree, you change the rules. You are the one that is using the "what ifs" by saying what if he had shot you or one of your dogs. The facts are, he didn't. Didn't even come close.

I think Ol' Ward Dog has it right and is right on target. I am sure this other man took away some pretty bad memories of a rabbit hunter and, perhaps, he learned a lesson but there were two lessons here. I am not sure either was learned. I know one wasn't.

[Bunnyblaster]

bunnyblaster, I had every intention of preaching my sermon to them. What do you think I meant when I said "explaining the game to them". And as far as taking people like these, ( people who obviously don't understand the game and are probably new at it) along with me I have done exactly that hundreds of times without any incidents, unless you call smiles on people's faces, laughter, and fond memories incidents. I wonder how the hell people around your area learn to hunt if no one thinks it is their responsibility to help? You know those folks that I took out because I thought it was my responsibility they learned the proper way to do things and therefore did not make the ignorant mistakes the good folks Joeyman encountered did. Seems like some hunters in this area of Missouri are part of the problem. It's sad that those men and children may have to leave that area of Missouri to learn about sportsmenship as no-one there apparently thinks it is their responsibility to help.
joeyman, did i miss your explanation on calling the ten year olds idiots and stupid? And exactly what do you think is wrong with life in Mayberry, aside from the folks falling all over you wanting to help!

gwyoung, I find it hard to believe that there have been hundreds of times in your life where you have come upon people doing the wrong thing and they decided to let you take them under your wing and show them the light. In MOST cases people like that do not want to be shown because they think what they are doing is ok..........hence the reason they are doing it in the first place. It is few and farther in between where you run across some truly ignorant person out in the hunting world that was just making an honest mistake.........regardless of how bad a mistake it was.

I would however be willing to believe that most of the people you ask are not people who have committed some kind of an ethical misdoing towards you but rather someone you know, met or just ran into while out hunting. It's much easier when you start with a clean slate no matter who it is and not someone you just had a confrontation with. You can make it sound like those of us who agree with how joey handled it are somehow not true sportsman willing to share our knowledge with our fellow hunter but that's just a gross misrepresentation to try to make your point and/or make you feel better. The truth is I am just as willing to help someone out if they are willing to learn but most guys that would do what they did are not of the mindset to be "shown" the right way. Does that apply to all of them? No. Does that apply to most of them? Yes. And to deny that is either ignorance or the other obvious answer..........you really do live in Mayberry.

Btw, sportsmanship that you speak of is something that is sought out and taught. Anyone who has the morals, ethics and scruples to be a true sportsman would be seeking out the right ways and not waiting for it to be taught to them. Once again, common sense plays a HUGE role here. You tell me if you would have ever done what this guy did???? I'd find it hard to believe that anyone on this board would have done that. And I know lots of guys that don't own dogs that would never do that either. I don't blame you for wanting to handle it your way but I have a hard time watching anyone chastise someone for doing what joey did...........but then again, he did ask for opinions..................


Good discussion, and good points from all............I like this one.

[Bunnyblaster]

In the first post Joey said, what do you guy's think. For those that said i would have done the same thing or Joey you did the right thing. Look at it like this for a moment. What if Joey goes and does it again and gets shot and killed the next time. Can you then sleep at night knowing you might have had a part in giving Joey advice that he did the right thing and it ended up in death. What if your own son called you up and told you he had done as Joey, What would your response be then, Yea, way to go, you did the right thing and then your son got into the same situation again and he got shot and killed. How could you live with yourself ?

Sal, that's like saying you should feel bad for teaching your kid to drive a car and having him/her end up losing their life in a car accident. You of all people are generally one of the people I hear saying to confront those that have wronged you. I have not been trying to say it is always the safest thing to do but a lot less people die from confrontations in the woods than driving around in their car.