Half Brother/Sister Cross??

[Dale L.]

I'll tell ya what. Just make the cross keep 1 or 2 for yourself and then send the rest to me!LOL! I think it sounds good and I have heard alot of good things about the line in question. May have to get in touch with you some time about some pups. Have a nice day.

[Bunnyblaster]

What language do you need it translated in? duh...

Do you consider this smurky or just rude?

I was glad to see mybeagles apologize for his part in it........now he is my hero. (FYI, that last part is called sarcasm.)

[Bunnyblaster]

I'll get right back on here and apologize so I don't fan the flames anymore than I have. All I know is you all get a little heated(including myself) at times and then none of us seem to actually end up learning anything from each other except how to one up the other guy's comment.

[Tsa la gi]

Posting for Hammerenpatch,couldn`t get this to upload to photobucket. What ya think?



Thinkin about makeing this cross before its to late.

[BCBeagles]

How did Trixie litter turn out she is a half/brother sister cross??? Thank you!!!

[Gunslinger Beagles]

i can tell you if chuck makes a cross it will be a good one. he knows his stuff

[hammerenpatch]

BC,
Trixie is a Rabbit dog Just a good solid rabbit dog good nose speed wise she is prob.in the upper mid. range Nothing flashy
hunting and searching for a rabbit is nothing but 110% she is not the heads up flying machine. She runs a very tight line and works close in a check
she will be 7 this April and there was 4 in this litter she was the only female I only know about 1 of her litter mates that at 6 months of age could
and would dominate his pack of dogs unfortunatly I don't know where the other 2 males are.
The only thing that I don't like about Trixie is the volume of her voice for me its not loud enough but I can live with it. Her Dam and her great Dam didn'thave enough volume either " for me"
So let me answer these Questions :
Is she better than her Sire Bo : Yes - Better hunt, Better line control,
is she better than her Dam Tea Cup - No Teacup was a Wind slitter I had nothing that could run with her
Is she Better than her Grand Sire Casey : No
Is she better than her Grand Sire Gypsi : Yes better line control and better in the check area
these are the only ansesters that I personally know about
as far as dominating at the trials they left a bad taste in my mouth and are not for me. For instance I went to an AKC fun hunt again "this was a fun hunt" so non members
could go and possible join the club I took my old dog Casey paid my fee and before the cast's were even set up the friend of mine Who was a member of the Club at
that time told me who the winner of the day would be because his buddy was judging needless to say I didn't make it back out of my cast not a prob. didn't bother me what bothered me was a dog that no one seen with the pack was out by his self and didn['t do anything made it back I found out later is because the judges didn't want to listen
to the old man complain. I could go on with alot other stuff that happened that day anyways long story short the hound that my friend told me would win Won. So when Guys make commits about line breed or inbreed
hounds not donimating at the trials I sometimes wonder if the guys judging the trials even know's what a hound is suppose to do istead of what his buddy wants him to do.
Now before the trial guys get all over me this was my personal experence that I witnessed first hand and the trials just aren't for me not my thing.
Now I made this cross again Bo x Teacup 1/2 Brother and Sister and their was 10 pups born 5 males 5 females 5 lemon and 5 tri. she lost 2 raised 8 4 and 4 of each sex and color. I would have to do some digging and get those records.
Sorry for rambling but I hope I answered any question.

Again Trial guys I am sorry if I ticked any one off but that was my experience.

[hammerenpatch]

I also forgot to mention
her bite is good , her legs aren't crooked or any other defects

[Lone Pine Beagles]

Chapkos hit the nail on the head!

"but the exceptional ones come from out crossing the linebred hounds. in my experience or my luck"....Chapkos

I agree 100%.

A linebred dog "should" reproduce their traits more dominantly than an outcrossed one.

A linebred bitch of one line....outcrossed to a linebred stud from another line quite often brings the cream to the top.
OR,
A linebred bitch outcrossed to an exceptional stud.
ie: IFC Dirty Pond Legacy's Blacky
Blacky's dam is from a 1/2 bro x 1/2 sis breeding, both being from Jack of All Trades.
She was then bred to Striker, producing Blacky.

Andy P ....if you're out there, it was good talking to you!

LPB

[Tsa la gi]

In reality Mike and I are makeing the same cross, he is crossing Gunner on Trixie,
I have crossed Gus on Copper, full brothers on full sisters,females of different litters.
Then we are going to cross a pup out of these crosses, lots of Ol Man Casey in the pedigrees.

Next week I will cross Gus on Shantie which is out of Trixie and cross a pup out of this cross on one of the above keeping within the family tree. If it ain`t broke don`t try and fix it by watering it down with out crosses. I don`t know a thing about genetics but I do know what a good hound is and thats what we are breeding for. We are just like every one else, have some good and some bad and I will take care of the bad if it is in my kennel.

[Gunslinger Beagles]

well its not broke for sure. shantie was sugars momma and sugar could get the job done. good speed, no junk business from you let her out to the time you left. very very easy to handle, super smart, great in the kennel, jumped tons of rabbits and a dog that was not afraid of the brush. if you have some smaller ones like sugar if i have the money id get another in a heat beat.

[BCBeagles]

Thanks guys for the information. I think the patch line is a GREAT example of linebreeding for generations! I am convinced if I am at a point to make the cross when Lilly comes in I will. I will cull hard and see what happens on it. These are two nice hounds and I could just imagine keeping a nice female or two and one of them make a nice hound and I have something to make a SUPER outcross on. Just as the dedicated Patch guys I am dedicated to improving the line I have, but I know I can't do it in one or two crosses. It will take time and consistancy in what I like. Thanks again!!

[Tsa la gi]

Gunslinger,Ive only bred her three times and only know of one pup at ten months old that is not up to my expectations.His three bro`s are tearing the brush up and have had rabbits killed in front of them. I do not own him and hopefully he will kick it in shortly.
I`ll keep you in mind.

BC good luck with your crosses,breed what you want and like because I have found out you very seldom buy what you really want it may be close. I bought good stock and have bred what I have now, they ain`t perfect ,maybe time they are 7/8 yrs old they`ll have slowed down enough so I can have some of these 4 hr cottontail rabbit races I already have that after hare on Drummond.

[NorWester1]

Just curious, but why is the Patch bloodline a great example of linebreeding? Tsa la gi wrote that if it ain't broke don't fix it, but what is it that ain't broke? What is the goal in such a breeding program? Seems like the next two generations on paper have already been declared successful without having been born yet.

What if they don't work out?

Or do they all work out and the goal of this breeding program is to simply keep it as pure Patch as possible? (nothing wrong with that just wondering)
Seems to me THAT in itself is the biggest claim to fame of the Patch bloodline........ it's pure Patch. There doesn't seem to be any traits or characteristics (that I'm aware of) that have been set or locked in by line breeding or inbreeding, which in my opinion wouldn't make it the best example to "sell" someone on line breeding or inbreeding techniques within a selective breeding program.
If you want to see successful, selective breeding practices using line breeding and inbreeding techniques I would use the brace beagling crowd as the best example with beagles one could find.
You don't even have to know the bloodlines they use but we all know the traits and characteristics they've been selectively bred for and line breeding and inbreeding has played an important part in that selection.
Regardless of whether we appreciate the finished product or not I don't think anyone can deny they have been successful in their endeavor to create the style of hound they desire.
All done with proper selection thru line breeding and inbreeding......... even Mybeagles can't deny that which should put an end to this debate or at least his involvement in it

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

Well aren't all patch hounds lemon and white?? cause thats a recessive trait and line-breeding would preserve that... ive never seen any other patch dog but maybe there are other kinds. just throwing it out there...