You Get What You Pay For

VOILESKENNEL · Post by **VOILESKENNEL** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:01 pm

Ego has nothing do do with what some people spend on dogs. I don't brag on my dogs I don't field trial much. I just like a good dog and enjoy a good race. I also spent three times as much money on lower price dogs and ended up with low Quality hounds. I looked for over a year before I bought ranger. When I sell a good Quality dog I expect good money for it. If it is truly a good dog I don't have a problem feeding it. So if you want it you are going to have to give me enough money to make me want to let it go. If I sell a dog for good money it will be worth it or I will buy it back. I am very quick to cull a dog so if it makes it in my kennel more than a couple of months it is worthy of staying. I have ran with a lot of people and they also think I hane good dogs, and most of them own Rc's or Gr Rc's. So I believe it is money well spent. A honest man will give away a cull and sell a good dog, and truly good dogs don't come cheap unless you are buying them grade or from someone who does'nt Know what they are doing. I agree some people price dogs way to high for what they have, but word of mouth will come around to bite them in the long run.

VOILESKENNEL · Post by **VOILESKENNEL** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:04 pm

As far as a field ch selling for 700.00-800.00 dollars. I don't field trial but I have friends that do and spend thousands of dollars per dog to get them thier championship. Hotels and entry fees, and travel expenses add up quick.

chris p · Post by **chris p** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:33 pm

very well said price does matter people that put a resonable price on a dog knows that it takes alot work to find a good one and alot people price them high so they dont sell if they do then it dosent feel so bad when money is in hand.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:08 pm

Price doesn't NOT = quality. In my experince the only two ppl say "you get what you pay for" are either ...

#1: ppl trying to peddle overpriced pups

or ...

#2: ppl who got duped into buying one.

One of the best dogs I've ever owned I paid $150 for & I've seen other ppl buy dogs for $1500 that were total junk. Quality depends on the DOG, not the price. If you buy a dog & it's trash, it's still trash no matter if you paid $100 for it or $1000. just like a turd is still a turd - some turds are just more expensive than others, but it doesn't change the fact it's still a turd!

As for overall prices, most hunting breed pups are pretty cheap. In my area you can UKC reg. coonhound pups who have GR.CH. sire & dam for $150 & the last time I checked out Beagles Unlimited, AKC CH. sired beagles were about $250. Meanwhile while pups out of untitled parents of other breeds are $500 to $1000 (or more!).

Now titled adults are something else entirely. I've known of a titled coonhound that was sold for $5000 & a titled pit bull that sold for $6500. In that respect $700 for a CH. titled beagle seems fairly reasonable! I guess it's all perspective.

checkmate kennels · Post by **checkmate kennels** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:12 pm

I will agree with most of the posts but there is a lot of young beaglers out there that think that just because a dog is priced at 1500.00 or more than it must be better than the one that is priced at 500.00 or whatever and that simply isnt true. when i decide to sell a dog i just price it at what ever i would be willing to pay for it.

VOILESKENNEL · Post by **VOILESKENNEL** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:25 pm

I agree with the last post a lot of young beaglers think price means better. But if a person is asking a high price with a money back trial if you don't like the dog then the dog is probally worth the price. I have been around beagles for a long time. And in my area thier are not a lot of good dogs for sale and if they are for sell you will pay for them. I started over this year and bought some of the best dogs I could find. And it will be money well spent when I rause pups from them and never have to buy ant more dogs. Most high price good dogs will pay for theirself with thier offspring. But that is just my opion and was my late grandfathers opion with over 50 yrs experiance in raiseing and training dogs. Dogs sure were cheap for me to buy when he was alive LOL.

VOILESKENNEL · Post by **VOILESKENNEL** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:30 pm

I piad good money for several dogs this year and don't think any were over priced. Jeremy sold me a good dog for a fair price in my opion and to me and a lot of other people what we think is all that matters to us.

VOILESKENNEL · Post by **VOILESKENNEL** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:37 pm

A ukc dog is still a grade dog if it is not akc it is grade. ukc, & nkc are open regs. and any dog can be registered if it apears full blooded or they have a freind that is a breed inspector. I Know of dogs that are half beagle and half what ever and are ukc beagles. That is why grade dogs are so cheap. If you don't want a dog to trial buy grade and save money. But if you want to breed buy akc. A good breader researches for genetic flaws and doesn't beed into them. when you buy a grade dog you Know nothing.

Wilkerson Boys · Post by **Wilkerson Boys** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:55 pm

If you can't hang with the big dogs stay on the porch. lol Just kidding gentlemen. They got dogs now that eat people they sell as a pup for $1500. Now I'd rather have a good beagle and a good beagle to me is worth some change.

Wayne

blackdirt beagles · Post by **blackdirt beagles** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:40 pm

bottom line is it is ultimately up to the buyer to do the research (references!!) and decide how much $ is too much. theres an old saying something to the effect of... no one can "stick you" without your permission.

Hilltop Kennels · Post by **Hilltop Kennels** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:16 pm

I have been watching this post and all I can say is if you do not want to pay a mans price then do not, but do not bad mouth him because he is too high priced for you. Just move down the road and find one that is priced to your liking. Everybody likes something different and that is what makes the world go around. One more thing and I will only say this once GO WATCH THE DOG RUN YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT BUYING NO MATTER WHAT THE PRICE IS!!!!

illinois boy · Post by **illinois boy** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:16 pm

i don't agree with if it isn't akc it is grade i have a female that i have a ped for like 4 generations back and now i have pups out of her and their dad is akc but they are only ARHA cause their mom aint ACK so does that mean they are grade i think not Akc aint everything to some it is but not to all and if they are registered atleast 3 generations back to me they are no longer grade if they are only single registered then i still say they could be considered grade and i think yeah you are goin to have to pay for a good dog but just cause it is priced high don't mean it is a good dog and vise versa my female i bought for $150 and you couldn't buy her from me yeah she is old but she is still one heck of a dog so you don't always get what u pay for. but that is just my oppenion.

VOILESKENNEL · Post by **VOILESKENNEL** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:54 am

Not all dogs are worth the high prices that people ask for them. But if you have never seen the dog run then don't bad mouth it just because of the price. If you watch the dog run and believe it is priced to high then that is your opion. Every one has the right to have their own opion that is why we live is the greatest county in the world. I am just saying before you judge a person that ask a high price for a dog get your facts straight. Their are a lot of dishonest people in the dog world but just because a guy prices a dog high does'nt mean he is out to rip someone off. It doesn't matter where you go or what you are looking to buy there is always going to be someone out there looking to make a dishonest buck. I know when I first got back into dogs a few years back I had people out there trying to make a quick buck off of me. Anyone new to beagleing should alwatys try to find someone who has what is consider good dogs. And copmare anything they look at to them. Knowledge is everything and we have probally all gotin took at sometime or another trying to find a good deal on a dog. If you Know a crook that sells dogs tell everyone you can he won't be selling dogs for long.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:00 am

I have to agree w/ you Illinois Boy. There are paper hung dogs in every registry - including AKC. If we go on the premise that all UKC dogs are grade dogs b/c there are a few paper hung dogs in UKC then AKC dogs would be grade dogs as well since there most assuredly a few paper hung dogs in AKC too!

As for price, there are price gougers out there whether we want to admit it or not. In dogs some folks say - "the worth of a dog is dictated by what someone is willing to pay for it. That is fine, they're entitled to their opinion. However, what are we going to say when gas prices get to $2.50/gal.? It sure won't be "prices are dictated by what someone is wiling to pay for it!!" It will probably be something alone the lines of "those sorry price-gouging SOBs!!"

So my question is this - how can one who sells you overpriced gas be called a price gouger, but someone who sells overpriced puppies gets off w/ a simple "the worth of a dog is dictated by what someone is willing to pay for it??" Is not price gouging price gouging no matter the product???

BTW what is the $1500 breed of dog is it that eats ppl

Boomerx · Post by **Boomerx** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:59 am

I attend several hunting shows each year where they have hunting dogs on display. The owners of the birddogs, spaniels, labs etc. are shocked at the low prices we ask for beagle pups. (they get from $800 to $1500 a pup and usually have breeding restrictions on them). Very seldom do I go home from a field trial with much change left from $150 or $200.. I attend maybe 20 of these a year (if not more), so I figure it costs at least $2,000. in expenses to finish a field trial champion. A buddy of mine bought a FTCH bitch for $1500. and paid for her with the first litter out of her. Two of these pups are now finished and a couple of others are placing. I'd say "it was money well spent". Not to mention, he got a bitch that's a delight to run with. I realize it doesn't always happen this way, and it's certainly "Buyer Beware!", if you don't buy from a trustworthy houndsman, and one that values his hounds more than money.

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