White River dogs?
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whiteriver
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HALLELUJAH KENNELS
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Hey Guys good responses,
I expected to really get hammered on this, you guys where easy. Hey Incahoots, I thought that Incoharant thing was funny also. Just kidding, I have watched your videos also, you seem to have a really good one. I quess I just think its wrong to basically slam every dog in a mans kennel. Thats like people in other formats who slam all UKC dogs. I am in Missouri and you probably see more of the whiteriver dogs than I do. Mitch and his group have come down here and ran and I have been to super slams and eliminators and seen several whiteriver dogs, but we don't have a lot of either side. I like Mitches "power side" and Dales side also. I have visted with Mitch and group on a few occassions about their dogs and like thier commitment to the sport. They have powerful dogs. And I really don't blame anyone for breeding a stud every chance they get. If you don't breed what you think are the great ones how will you find out if they really are? I wish we could just go a little lighter sometimes and not bash each others complete line when we all know that every line has some that are not as good as others. I understand when we have to answer questions like Alabama John did. He said I don't like what I got. But he did not proceed to bash every dog out of the mans kennel. I say Go White River, may the best dogs win. I will own what ever wins in UKC trials, I don't care who it comes from. I say Go Mitch and Go Dale the more work they do means I don't have to keep 20 hounds to come up with some good ones. I watch the winners and get in line for a pup. Take care and God bless.....
Dave Smith
Hallelujah Kennels
I expected to really get hammered on this, you guys where easy. Hey Incahoots, I thought that Incoharant thing was funny also. Just kidding, I have watched your videos also, you seem to have a really good one. I quess I just think its wrong to basically slam every dog in a mans kennel. Thats like people in other formats who slam all UKC dogs. I am in Missouri and you probably see more of the whiteriver dogs than I do. Mitch and his group have come down here and ran and I have been to super slams and eliminators and seen several whiteriver dogs, but we don't have a lot of either side. I like Mitches "power side" and Dales side also. I have visted with Mitch and group on a few occassions about their dogs and like thier commitment to the sport. They have powerful dogs. And I really don't blame anyone for breeding a stud every chance they get. If you don't breed what you think are the great ones how will you find out if they really are? I wish we could just go a little lighter sometimes and not bash each others complete line when we all know that every line has some that are not as good as others. I understand when we have to answer questions like Alabama John did. He said I don't like what I got. But he did not proceed to bash every dog out of the mans kennel. I say Go White River, may the best dogs win. I will own what ever wins in UKC trials, I don't care who it comes from. I say Go Mitch and Go Dale the more work they do means I don't have to keep 20 hounds to come up with some good ones. I watch the winners and get in line for a pup. Take care and God bless.....
Dave Smith
Hallelujah Kennels
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JimmyJohnson
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Our Dirty Pond Beagles "Heaven goes by favour. If it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
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Scuba Steve
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Mitch and Incahoots calling themselves "White River" is a joke. Real original guys. Can't you come up with your own name? Do you have to ride Dales coat tails your whole life? If you are doing your own thing, quit registering them under Dales Kennel name. I bet you only do it so people will think they are getting something they are not. Incahoots is so new to beagles it would shock all of you. He hasn't been it but maybe a year or two and now he knows everything. Mitch and Dale don't run together or even hang out much from what I hear. Still they all put White River on their dogs, even if theydidn't come from Dale.
You two are in need of a new Kennel Name if you going to do your own thing. Take some pride and put YOUR name on them. Then we can truly see what is yours and what is Dales. Right now as far as ANYONE and myself included is concerned they are all Dales! They carry his kennel name, they must be his.
You two are in need of a new Kennel Name if you going to do your own thing. Take some pride and put YOUR name on them. Then we can truly see what is yours and what is Dales. Right now as far as ANYONE and myself included is concerned they are all Dales! They carry his kennel name, they must be his.
Fall and hit your head? lol I've run hounds since I was 12 and I'll be 34 this year. 34-12= 22 Not sure where you come up with a year or two but you obviously don't know what you are talking about.Incahoots is so new to beagles it would shock all of you. He hasn't been it but maybe a year or two and now he knows everything.
The beauty of the net is you can hide your identity and just make stuff up or show total stupidity with total ananimity. So, which of those 2 would you fall under? Kevin Cramer
Our Dirty Pond Beagles "Heaven goes by favour. If it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
I have ran with or against alot of these hounds,belive me they are nice hounds that can dominate a pack. Mitch and Kevin are out there every weekend trialing them along with Dale and others. They also kill Rabbits with the same hounds. These guys are dedicated to breeding a better hound and they do. Should they use the Whiteriver name,I belive thats between Dale and them. There are good and bad in all bloodlines,Whiteriver is no different,but I belive if you go to the sorce you'll get more good than bad and a few great ones.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. "Benjamin Franklin" 1759
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. "Benjamin Franklin" 1759
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whiteriver
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scuba steve does not even have the guts to put his name lolololol your comments are ignorant, if you want to be honest about it white river is a kennel name not my name it signifies a type of bloodline such as say branko ,if i had a branko dog i would not have called it white river get the point !!!!!!!
secondly we have bred our own type of hound and considering i handled over half of all of dales dogs (I HANDLES MICHAEL LULU DOGS AND ALSO TUFF A FEW TIMES) SO i think i know more about the situation than you , the truth is we are breeding for what started the line which is the michael X lulu cross and acctually have a more pure strain of the line than most ,. If you outcross time after time you eventually are pretty far away from michael lulu
just take a look steve or whoever you are at what our crosses have won ,we made these crosses not you or dale , pups out of our crosses have won more than i will state and are under 2 YEARS OLD now that amazing steve !!!
also yes me and dale were tight and he helped me but lets not forget one thing I AND A FEW OTHERS HELPED HIM JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE !!!!!!!!!!
WHAT IS YOUR NAME ?????
mitch gould
"white river beagles" (if scuba steve does not care)lololol
304 884 8802 (if steve wants to call lololololol)
secondly we have bred our own type of hound and considering i handled over half of all of dales dogs (I HANDLES MICHAEL LULU DOGS AND ALSO TUFF A FEW TIMES) SO i think i know more about the situation than you , the truth is we are breeding for what started the line which is the michael X lulu cross and acctually have a more pure strain of the line than most ,. If you outcross time after time you eventually are pretty far away from michael lulu
just take a look steve or whoever you are at what our crosses have won ,we made these crosses not you or dale , pups out of our crosses have won more than i will state and are under 2 YEARS OLD now that amazing steve !!!
also yes me and dale were tight and he helped me but lets not forget one thing I AND A FEW OTHERS HELPED HIM JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE !!!!!!!!!!
WHAT IS YOUR NAME ?????
mitch gould
"white river beagles" (if scuba steve does not care)lololol
304 884 8802 (if steve wants to call lololololol)
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Scuba Steve
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Whats in a name. Ill hide behind Scuba Steve as long as you are hiding behind White River. You are worried about my true identity and you don't show the world yours, just dales. Let me get this straight, by breeding more michael and lulu into your dogs you are doing your own thing? Michael and lulu was a cross that dale made. so you breed a bunch of dogs that dale produced together and it is yours and not Dales? I don't see it.
Isn't Incoherent running a dog out of one of your dogs and a branko female? I think he is. he still calls it White River. Why is that. Is that the purity you're seeking? White River x Branko = White River. I guess if that sells pups for you, go for it.
You even get on here and use White River as you sign in name. MITCH, White River is Dale not you. You were in middle school when he started his line of dogs and you try to capitolize on it repeatedly. Why not even sign on here as Mitch or Gould or Mitch Gould. Be original, if you are doing such great things, put your name on it, not someone elses. Take pride in what you do and quit using someone elses name.
Oh yeah, Incognito when did you get your first ever UKC registered dog. More specifically when did you get your first White River dog. I want to know about all of those years (months) of expertise.
Scuba Steve
Isn't Incoherent running a dog out of one of your dogs and a branko female? I think he is. he still calls it White River. Why is that. Is that the purity you're seeking? White River x Branko = White River. I guess if that sells pups for you, go for it.
You even get on here and use White River as you sign in name. MITCH, White River is Dale not you. You were in middle school when he started his line of dogs and you try to capitolize on it repeatedly. Why not even sign on here as Mitch or Gould or Mitch Gould. Be original, if you are doing such great things, put your name on it, not someone elses. Take pride in what you do and quit using someone elses name.
Oh yeah, Incognito when did you get your first ever UKC registered dog. More specifically when did you get your first White River dog. I want to know about all of those years (months) of expertise.
Scuba Steve
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Scuba Steve
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Oh yeah, one more thing on doing your own thing. You state that Thunder and REd Wine are out of Jake. Jake is out of Michael and Lulu right. A cross that dale made and GAVE you Jake. Then you breed him to a up out of roys Ace dog and WV Bess. Bess is out of Michael and Lulu. Dale is the one that set up the cross on Bess and Ace isn't he? I could be wrong on that. So you have an outcross of a Michale and lulu on Roys dog and bring it right back into a michael and lulu male. How long did it take to come up with that? If this is your own thing then I would be gassin up the truck and heading back up to roys house.
Indecent, maybe it just seems like last fall when you got into it. Let me know, I am sincerely interested in when you got your first White River dog and when you attended your first UKC event.
Indecent, maybe it just seems like last fall when you got into it. Let me know, I am sincerely interested in when you got your first White River dog and when you attended your first UKC event.
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whiteriver
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lol steve u are pretty funny guy but yet again u a coward without a name ,not worth talking to
we decided to make the crosses not dale (he did not want to linbreed ) t when u are refering to thunder and wine
we are keeping what white river is all about alive ,not the watered down version in which michael and lulu are not even in the 2 generation ped.
oh yeah by the way i helped make white river what it is and if u do not know that then u are totally ignorant of the situation !!!!!
ALSO WOULD IT NOT BE EVEN A BIGGER SMACK IN THE FACE TO DALE IF WE DID NOT KEEP THE WHITE RIVER NAME ON THESE DOGS , my opinon a kennel name is like a way to keep track of a line of dogs just as branko or lake ogemaw etc........ i would never get one of those hounds and call it white river do you get my point
we have talked about altering our name just for the fact that our style is different than some of dales , even though you will find that some of our dogs run like that strain and vice versa
if u are so much of an authority on the situation than you should give us your name
loloololololol
we decided to make the crosses not dale (he did not want to linbreed ) t when u are refering to thunder and wine
we are keeping what white river is all about alive ,not the watered down version in which michael and lulu are not even in the 2 generation ped.
oh yeah by the way i helped make white river what it is and if u do not know that then u are totally ignorant of the situation !!!!!
ALSO WOULD IT NOT BE EVEN A BIGGER SMACK IN THE FACE TO DALE IF WE DID NOT KEEP THE WHITE RIVER NAME ON THESE DOGS , my opinon a kennel name is like a way to keep track of a line of dogs just as branko or lake ogemaw etc........ i would never get one of those hounds and call it white river do you get my point
we have talked about altering our name just for the fact that our style is different than some of dales , even though you will find that some of our dogs run like that strain and vice versa
if u are so much of an authority on the situation than you should give us your name
loloololololol
just to start steve you are an idiot. you have no idea on what you are saying. if we would change the name of white river and call it our own than we would be lieing. michael and lulu started all of this so why not give the credit where credit is due. we put white river so when people hear about them they will know what blood line they are from. i think that you might actually be retarded because if everyone put a different name on every dog how would people be able to trace blood lines. so get off of you high horse and realize that there is two different strands of the breed now and that ours is more white river than dales because it goes back to the sorce. you are making your self look like an idiot on here. it is people like you that hide behind fake names and stir up trouble that i would like to see out of any program. if you want to run some time my number is 304 457 9834 and that is not fake! come up and i will show you how a true white river dog runs! we have never taken anything from dale but now we have different interest in dogs but that is not to say his is any less just not our style. so please quit embarrising your self and shut up and leave well enough alone. by naming our dogs white river it helps all of the breeds of white river so get a life and quit trying to stir things up. you are not even man enough to reveal who you really are. my name is ben hall and i won't hide behind anything except for the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!! you have heard some things so now you think that you are an expert on the topic well you do not know what you are talking about. me and mitch are dedicated and run every weekend at a trial i dont see dale there but you decide to bust up on us.
one last thing i have pups out of jake and none of my females are white river but by god i am going to continue to call them that because they have more white river blood in them then anything. it is just like a last name it just helps to identify who the dogs are out of. the first name describes the idividuality!!!
one last thing i have pups out of jake and none of my females are white river but by god i am going to continue to call them that because they have more white river blood in them then anything. it is just like a last name it just helps to identify who the dogs are out of. the first name describes the idividuality!!!
What does UKC trialing have to do with my experience with beagles? Please tell me, did I miss a seminar? Seems to me you learn hunt rules not a thing about beagles, ya think? lol
First you say I have no experience with beagles. You were wrong. Now I'm new to UKC? lol So what? How hard is it to learn to handle a dog? I'm willing to bet I put more time into each dog then 99% of the people at every hunt. Yep, I'm newer to the UKC scene. For a "greenhorn" me and my dogs have done very well, ya think?
Sounds like you have some resentment toward me not sure why and I probally don't really care.
First you say I have no experience with beagles. You were wrong. Now I'm new to UKC? lol So what? How hard is it to learn to handle a dog? I'm willing to bet I put more time into each dog then 99% of the people at every hunt. Yep, I'm newer to the UKC scene. For a "greenhorn" me and my dogs have done very well, ya think?
Sounds like you have some resentment toward me not sure why and I probally don't really care.Our Dirty Pond Beagles "Heaven goes by favour. If it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
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Scuba Steve
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Why not Hall's White River Bill or Incognito's White River Bill or Gould's White river Bill? Why do you three have to keep fooling paople into thinking they are from Dale. Indecent, you helped make white river what it is today? HOw? Give examples.
Is this the part where yall start telling me you are going to beat me up?
Please tell me you guys aren't really teachers molding the minds of our youth. Wonder what your principal would think with about a link to this web site. After all, how do you make all these posts during school hours.
Is this the part where yall start telling me you are going to beat me up?
Please tell me you guys aren't really teachers molding the minds of our youth. Wonder what your principal would think with about a link to this web site. After all, how do you make all these posts during school hours.