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- Lefgren-Lane
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Let me see if this pic will help. Getting pictures that show true color of blues etc. can be tough. Snow backgrounds, dark lighting inside , differences in films, or digital , flash or no flash etc. This was taken by a supposed pro at a dog show. It is too dark but it does show the grey or lilac blanket a bit better.

Here is a pic of the litter he came from. He is the grey one at the top. There was a blk/tn/wh, tn/wh, chocolate/tn/wh and Cody. I had a litter out of a blue gyp and one of those is a blue. I have a pic of that litter also but rather than clutter the board just look at the pic of young pups in this thread. The blue is darker than the lilac when they are very young. That is why I thought that the 2 lighter grey pups in beaglehandlers post might grow up to have the lilac blanket.

Also thank you for the comments about Cody, the however is do not let the titles etc. fool you. There are some pics of some very nice beagles posted on this thread and if you read the Beagle Standard you will find that although they might have a tough time in the AKC Showring it does not mean they are not built to meet the standard. (Judging in the showring goes through fads and for the most part the judges are really pretty clueless when it comes to knowing the standard. Most of the beanch judges at field trials anve been around and seen a lot more beagles than any of theones judging at AKC Shows.) Now take a look at the pics of Cody I posted and I will tell you what is wrong with him. First his ears are too short, and they are set on too high. He could use a bit more length to his muzzle, and also his neck. he did have preety decent shoulders although he should have had a bit more length to his upper arm. His back is too short, and he has a straight topline, when there should be a slight rise over the loin. The standard calls for a moderately high tailset, his is too high. Now to his biggest problem, he is very weak in the stifle, and thigh. If you could see him from the top you would see that he is narrow between the point of his hips and his pelvic bone is too short (no rump length). He was not a bad mover by show standards because he did have decent shoulders and was not loaded like so many you see. He is about a 75 to 80 point hound scored against the breed standard. My wife in the last 10 years has judged 7 bench shows at ARHA National and Regional events plus I would guess another 25 or so club and state events. Cody would have a very tough time getting in the ribbons at any of the National or State events and probably would be in trouble at most club events under good judges. Just remember one thing about so many of the show dogs you see on TV etc. Pretty to look at, nice to hold, watch them move and mark them sold. Now go back and take a good look at the pics of your own hounds and the others on this thread. Take a look at how they are built and then compare them with Cody and decide for yourself which ones as the last line of the AKC Standard says "A miniature foxhound, solid and big for his inches, with the wear and tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death." fit the description. Cody conformation would have probably been OK for AKC SPO and ARHA Progressive Pack but his conformation faults would have let him down if he had been asked to compete in ARHA LP or especailly AKC Large Pack. He would have never kept up for the long haul. There are beagles pictured on this thread (including yours) that look like they would far better suited to the task. Hope some of this helps.
Let me see if this pic will help. Getting pictures that show true color of blues etc. can be tough. Snow backgrounds, dark lighting inside , differences in films, or digital , flash or no flash etc. This was taken by a supposed pro at a dog show. It is too dark but it does show the grey or lilac blanket a bit better.

Here is a pic of the litter he came from. He is the grey one at the top. There was a blk/tn/wh, tn/wh, chocolate/tn/wh and Cody. I had a litter out of a blue gyp and one of those is a blue. I have a pic of that litter also but rather than clutter the board just look at the pic of young pups in this thread. The blue is darker than the lilac when they are very young. That is why I thought that the 2 lighter grey pups in beaglehandlers post might grow up to have the lilac blanket.

Also thank you for the comments about Cody, the however is do not let the titles etc. fool you. There are some pics of some very nice beagles posted on this thread and if you read the Beagle Standard you will find that although they might have a tough time in the AKC Showring it does not mean they are not built to meet the standard. (Judging in the showring goes through fads and for the most part the judges are really pretty clueless when it comes to knowing the standard. Most of the beanch judges at field trials anve been around and seen a lot more beagles than any of theones judging at AKC Shows.) Now take a look at the pics of Cody I posted and I will tell you what is wrong with him. First his ears are too short, and they are set on too high. He could use a bit more length to his muzzle, and also his neck. he did have preety decent shoulders although he should have had a bit more length to his upper arm. His back is too short, and he has a straight topline, when there should be a slight rise over the loin. The standard calls for a moderately high tailset, his is too high. Now to his biggest problem, he is very weak in the stifle, and thigh. If you could see him from the top you would see that he is narrow between the point of his hips and his pelvic bone is too short (no rump length). He was not a bad mover by show standards because he did have decent shoulders and was not loaded like so many you see. He is about a 75 to 80 point hound scored against the breed standard. My wife in the last 10 years has judged 7 bench shows at ARHA National and Regional events plus I would guess another 25 or so club and state events. Cody would have a very tough time getting in the ribbons at any of the National or State events and probably would be in trouble at most club events under good judges. Just remember one thing about so many of the show dogs you see on TV etc. Pretty to look at, nice to hold, watch them move and mark them sold. Now go back and take a good look at the pics of your own hounds and the others on this thread. Take a look at how they are built and then compare them with Cody and decide for yourself which ones as the last line of the AKC Standard says "A miniature foxhound, solid and big for his inches, with the wear and tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death." fit the description. Cody conformation would have probably been OK for AKC SPO and ARHA Progressive Pack but his conformation faults would have let him down if he had been asked to compete in ARHA LP or especailly AKC Large Pack. He would have never kept up for the long haul. There are beagles pictured on this thread (including yours) that look like they would far better suited to the task. Hope some of this helps.
Lefgren-Lane,
Thanks for your last post. Your second sentence said it all. It is very hard to get the true color of the blues. Unless they are sitting beside a black tri color, you can't really tell they are any different. Your pictures you posted are great to. I can really see the difference now. There is almost a red tint to the gray, unlike the blues. Here is a picture of Blue at about 4 months old "babysitting" some young pups.

Another thing to mention is the blue dogs I have had have a much finer hair coat. It is really soft and smooth. Doc S said you sometimes end up with skin problems with the blues. I have been lucky so far and no problems or any problems called to my attention from people that have bought the blue pups. I'm guessing by not breeding blue to blue you are less likely to have those problems.
Thanks much for explaining all of this!
Thanks for your last post. Your second sentence said it all. It is very hard to get the true color of the blues. Unless they are sitting beside a black tri color, you can't really tell they are any different. Your pictures you posted are great to. I can really see the difference now. There is almost a red tint to the gray, unlike the blues. Here is a picture of Blue at about 4 months old "babysitting" some young pups.

Another thing to mention is the blue dogs I have had have a much finer hair coat. It is really soft and smooth. Doc S said you sometimes end up with skin problems with the blues. I have been lucky so far and no problems or any problems called to my attention from people that have bought the blue pups. I'm guessing by not breeding blue to blue you are less likely to have those problems.
Thanks much for explaining all of this!
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Boy they are all so beautiful. I havent had a blue pup come up since 2002. Should have kept her and named her fluke. Dont know how well this pic will show but this is the litter in the tub. The fourth pup is a blue.




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