Accomplishment over Style

[schwanie]

This should open up a can of worms lol. I have not had the opportunity to get to many Mid West trials in a while but in talking to a lot of old buddy's it seems that this has been forgotten. I also see dogs be sold that says to clean for Little Pack. Don't get me wrong I don't won't a dog that cuts and slices but at the same time you got to have one that will push the buggy to the check out counter. When I hear they run over the end I kinda shake my head. Not saying go way over and pull the pack but use a little common scene. Any fast dog is gonna run over a little but if any brains on them they will snap back. There's a lot of old field champs that made mistakes but the good out weighed the bad and that is what I think we should look for. When judging if you go out looking for all faults in a hound then your gonna have a winners pack full of a lot me too dogs. Give that sucker that may make a few mistakes a chance if they can push the bunny to a hole r gun. Pretty simple , if the good out weighs the bad then it shouldn't be a problem.

[hard on a check]

Speed - Control = Rough
Control - Speed = Slow

Speed + Control = Winner

[Newt]

I'll get it started.
One thing, IMO, that would make it interesting. Limit the number of rabbits jumped for a pack. If they can't circle a rabbit, what good are they. The gallery jumps most of the rabbits at trials that I have seen.

[schwanie]

Speed - Control = Rough
Control - Speed = Slow

Speed + Control = Winner

Well put

[WELLS WOODS]

I agree. Weigh the good & bad unless they have a major fault that keeps disrupting the progress of the pack.

[Swampman]

Tell your friends there are many trial formats, if they like a rougher hound, there are trials that run that style or if you choose, accomplishment.

What hard on a check said is exactly what is winning the majority of the time in the Midwest and similar style trials I've been to.
I hunt my hounds all winter long and their style accomplishes exactly what they're suppose to, circle rabbits to the gun. Hounds won't accomplish a darn thing up here in the dead of winter if they don't run with control and know where the check is.
I don't have trial hounds, in the off season, I trial my hunting hounds and my hunting hounds seem to do ok in the Midwest which is why I choose to run in that format.

Go to a trial and see for yourself what is winning the majority of the time in the Midwest and similar trials.

[sparky]

Speed - Control = Rough
Control - Speed = Slow

Speed + Control = Winner

Well put Arlie,pretty much says it all.
A fast dog with no control is a rough dog.
A controlled dog with no speed is a slow dog.
A fast dog with control is a winning dog.

[WELLS WOODS]

The STYLE of working a check close to the point of loss will ACCOMPLISH more; time after time.

[fastone]

Arlie Jr in the game

[outrider66]

About every style hound you can think of has made FC in AKC Midwest . Look at the list ! Why is that ?

[sparky]

As far as accomplishment over style goes,judges should write down what they see (good & bad) plus for the positive score an minus the negative,it's simple math,if a hound has 7 positive scores an 3 negatives then 7-3=4 but you might have another hound with 4 positives & 0 negatives,then you have a tie both hounds have 4,One hound got more accomplished with 7 scores but also made more mistakes with 3 minuses,the other hound didn't get as much accomplished with 4 scores but didn't make any mistakes.What do you do? The easiest thing to do is keep running them until the tie is broken.

If a hound is faulty an continues to cause breakdowns,that hound should be picked up,nothing more aggravating than a hound that's disrupting the packs progress.The object is to pound a rabbit,not hit an miss with a bunch of breakdowns,some hounds need to be picked up.

[outrider66]

I think theres been 2 arha world champions finish in the mid-west in the last 10-12yrs as well as many of there offspring. what style would you call them ? mid-west style ?

[sparky]

Obviously there has been several dogs that have finished in multiple formats,I would call them a good dog that finished.

[rridzon]

Curious what line do you run 66? Well said Mr. Wells.

[rhoward]

RUN WHAT YOU LIKE AND LIKE WHAT YOU RUN. NO HOUND IS PERFECT AND GOD KNOWS I GONE THROUGH A BUNCH LOOKING,BUT NO MATER WHAT FORMAT I GO TO WIN OR LOOSE I HAVE A GOOD TIME WIN OR LOOSE.AND MEET A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE.