Puppy pricing

[Farwest]

Have we learned anything yet?

Sell a dog for how much you think it's worth.
Buy a dog for how much you think it's worth.

Easy enough.

Ya I have learned a lot over the years and this lady hasn't even bred hounds before and now wants $1000. per pup. I learned the Marks brother was pretty smart.

[pete young]

If you like a pup then buy it. If you don't like it then don't buy it. $100.00 or $1000.00...............it doesn't matter. You set your own limit. Nobody is forcing you to buy it and nobody is asking your opinion of whether or not it is worth it. The market (supply and demand) will take care of that. If people see value in what you are selling, they will buy it. Puppies are generally way under priced. Those who are selling junk puppies will probably not sell many after the first couple of litters anyway. Bad news spreads much faster than good news. If someone is breeding something that you want, then you should be willing to pay for it. How many times have you bought something of lesser quality than you were looking for and afterwards wished that you had waited and got the better (often more expensive) item? I have done it several times. I have never once bought a quality item and wished I had bought something cheaper. The hard part is determining what is quality and what is junk. Sort through it with research and knowledge and you can generally make a good decision. Don't let a price determine what is valuable to you. Value is not a price, it is a feeling of money well spent on an item that you desire.

[TomMN]

Why do so many people think anyone who tries to make a profit from their dogs is a bad person?
What is wrong with trying to make money? Ever try getting along without it? Almost everything you have that makes your life better than your great grand parents had it came to you from someone trying to make money. The same holds true with beagles. Name one well known bloodline that wasn't bred by someone who sold pups to try and make ends meet? I'll name a few who depended on beagles for at least some of their income:
Willet Randle
Homer Larmay
Branko Krpan
Frank Reese

I'm sure you could name a bunch more. None of these people ever got rich off dogs but they would not have been able to make the contribution to the beagle breed they did if they would have had to give pups away.

[Ricko]

[Bad news spreads much faster than good news.] quote by Pete Young

And where does one get this useful information? Certainly not on this forum! LOL

[crewchf]

I noticed the FC hounds in the past on my pups pedigrees from the AKC. But if I don't do my part in taking them out into the field they won't be worth a hill of beans, right guys??? If we don't have small local breeders doing their part raising these hounds we'd have to go to the puppy mills and then we would see prices out of sight for sure!!! I think $200 to $300 is fair for a beagle compared to some breeds out there. Just my 2 cents worth..

Rich Piacentine

[Boomer]

"What makes a $1000 show "cull" anymore special then that $1000 puppy mill puppy at Petsmart??"

Let's see...show breeder vs puppy mill puppy from pet store...which of those comes to mind when it comes to the following:

(1) buyer can meet parents/littermates/other relatives of the puppy vs parents/littermates/other relatives unknown (show up on pedigree, if one exists, under name's like "Goldfield's Duke XII")
(2) buyer can talk to someone familiar with behavioral or health issues in the bloodlines vs puppy mill breeder that is out-of-sight, out-of-mind
(3) breeder will accept the dog back (even years into the future) should there ever be a problem or need to re-home the dog vs pet store with a no returns policy (usually activated once you get the receipt)
(4) breeder has done health-testing through an organization such as OFA to identify/prevent genetic defects vs breeder who only knows the health problems in the dogs he breeds (and often doesn't care)
(5) breeder gives two-sh!ts about producing a healthy puppy that would make a good pet, companion, athlete, etc, vs breeder who just wants to pump-out those purebreds and get them to the pet store
(6) breeder raises pup to 8-12 weeks of age in a clean, socialized environment that comes healthy and without behavioral issues vs breeder who does just what's necessary by law and according to USDA license (if applicable)
(7) breeder who will give you a partial rebate for titling a dog, putting it through basic obedience, etc, vs ???

So there's part of your difference. It wouldn't be hard to make the list go a lot longer.

"Atleast them people who give Petsmart $1000 get the dog without all the conditions of limited registrations, no reproduction or already cut , co-ownerships, if you ever get rid of it its still mine, and I will always own it even if you pay $1000 for it."

The puppy mills and Pet Stores don't want those strings attached. They don't want you calling them down the road when your dog starts having health issues and you want to know if it's genetic. They don't care and don't want to know. All they care about is getting past the puppy lemon law for your state (if there is one). You'd trust that product for $1000? The people who give you the conditions of limited registrations, restrict breeding, co-ownerships, re-possess if necessary, etc, are the people who care about their bloodlines and care about the dogs they produce. They stand behind their products, and they care about them so much that if you ever don't want it or can't have it, they want it back. Isn't that the seller you'd trust?

Buying a $1000 beagle from a pet store/puppy mill is like buying a used car made by a company you've never heard of with absolutely no warranty and a driving/ownership history that is a mystery. Buying a $1000 beagle from a responsible breeder is like buying a car you've researched from a company who has other models out there you can observe and who can give you as close to a lifetime warranty as exists in the world.

"Dont take this wrong..........if you can breed 1000 dogs a year and get $1,000 per pup I will be happy for you and your friend Lorraine."

HPH isn't talking about breeding and selling 1000 pups/yr. Most show breeders only breed occasionally - every year-or-two.

[TC]

Well Put Boomer Well Put!!!!!!!!!
Not all Show /Field breeders require a contract Either!! Just depends a lot on the breeder or who they are selling to. Why do we get from $400 to $600 a puppy For all the reasons stated above and that we are selective on who we sell to. All our Dogs are hunted as well as shown And we try to evaluate each pup for both. That’s why we get our prices! There should not be a field or show only dog they should be able to do both!!! So we must be very selective in what we breed to this takes Time and a lot of research on bloodlines and what has been produced before and what may be produced in the future. We may decide that we will reduce our Price depending on where the pup is being placed as for a child or someone wanting to be able to hunt and show. So I guess we just fall into the category of thief or rip-off according to some because we Gauge the Market and charge what we feel is The Going rate in our area...
This also helps us to weed out those that just want a Status symbol and will keep the Pup in a crate most of its life or tied up on a chain out back except for 3 mo out of the year Would not one want of mine Going there!!! If you Dont want to pay my Price for one of my Pups then Don’t!! I probably Wouldn’t want to sell ya one anyway!
Some of do actually care about the Breed!!!!

[WSRandy]

[quote="Boomer HPH isn't talking about breeding and selling 1000 pups/yr. Most show breeders only breed occasionally - every year-or-two. My point was that I dont resent the fact some breeders make money. I know many back yard "puppy mills" as you describe them that only breed 2-3 litters every 1-2 years of quality hunting and trial dogs, but I dont consider them puppy mills just because they charge $200 a pup[/quote]

I am outta this post. You all settle the dog worlds problems........I am gonna go run dogs! I dont care if the price of pups go to $10,000......I know I wont be buying any of them but I wish you all the best with them

Best to you all.
Randy

[klrconcrete]

I think I am out to, this has became something that I didnt originally intend. Good luck Kurt

[cris axtell/coal hill ken]

2 litters in 24 hours was this for the bettering of the breed? Or $$?

i bread these litters to supply a demand in my area for my pups. several were sold before they were born and all were sold by the time they were 6 weeks old. i also (god forbid)bread to offset the costs of my hobby. you cant't p#ss on my parade. i have an umbrela.

[Honey Pot Hounds]

Thankyou Boomer for answering WSRandys post.

Thankyou fellow Beaglers who understand where I am coming from whether you agree with me or not.

Heres hoping we all get some nice spring litters to enjoy however we see fit in this here free country

[WSRandy]

Hey Boomer said

(6) breeder raises pup to 8-12 weeks of age in a clean, socialized environment that comes healthy and without behavioral issues vs breeder who does just what's necessary by law and according to USDA license (if applicable)

So is it fair to assume a puppy mill uses hog wormer(Ivomec) and you show breeders use dog wormers(Heartguard,etc.)? How many years and litters does it take a top breeder to come up with 10-12 culls? lol

Randy

BTW......Honey, My question never got answered but I am tired of debating something that's nothing. 2 different worlds we live in..........

[Incahoots]

No offense to you HPH meant at all but Randy strives for a total dog. A breeder that does that has the best interest of the breed at heart it takes a ton more effort to breed a well balanced dog over a special purpose dog.

I'm not saying others don't care but dogs not breed to do as they are suppose to in the field or can only do in field but look like junk are not helping the breed. Simply crossing a show champ to a field champ does not make a total dog.

[AlabamaSwamper]

You got that right and "show" only dogs have hurt the breed as much as brace hounds have, which ain't much but the hunt is gone, forever out of these dogs. Therefore, they are culls. lol Not meant to be harsh but they go together to me.

As for this $1000 a pup thing going, well........I wouldn't give $1000 for any pup, anywhere, no matter the breeding. I don't care if it was a IFC to a IFC or double national champ breeding. What a joke.

BTW, DID I MENTION THAT ALL PUPPY MILLS, BACKYARD OR BIG OPERATIONS, SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND WITH THE OWNERS INSIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[warddog]

As I said I'm not a breeder but I think I better get into it. If a show breeder can sell their culls for $400.00 to $1000.00 then I'd say there's good money to be made. I say culls because that's what they are, you breed them for show quality traits and they didn't cut the mustard so now you do some poor family a favor and sell them your cull for $1000.00. I can hardly wait for my first litter cause I'm gonna keep them all, at least until I find the ones that don't met my expectations as a rabbit dog. I'm hoping ya'll have left me some poor yearning families just begging for me to unload my culls to them for $1000.00. Heck I may even drop the price to $600.00 to a family that drives a Lexus in that yuppie 3 piece tailored suit in lieu of a Porsche in a Tux and to that young lad who's parents are hobbling around in that cadillac in a regular Sears two piece ensemble, my heart goes out to you so I'll let you have one of my culls for my break even price of $400.00.