Puppy pricing

klrconcrete · Post by **klrconcrete** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:37 am

You can research pedigrees until you can recite the breeding for every hound from 1980 until present, you can take out a second mortgage and construct a kennel facility that rivals anything the Humane society has, spend your childs college fund on medications, vitamins, steroids, etc. Haul your prized bitch all over the planet to breed her to that stud dog that has the same lineage with 160 FC in thier background, whelp the pups in a nursery that is in line with something from your local hospital and in the end when a fella comes out and purchases a pup for what ever price he is still gambling! Even though it may seem like the breeder has stacked the deck in there favor! I really dont care what birddogs sell for or coondogs or any other dogs I dont follow them and as far as show dogs go all they have to do is look good! Im sure theres alot more to it but that is it in a nutshell. I dont have a problem spending good money for a pup out of bloodlines that I am familiar with and I do so knowing that I am sticking my neck out every time.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:51 am

klrconcrete wrote:and as far as show dogs go all they have to do is look good!

Wrong. And even if that was true do you think it is EASY to get a really good looking dog?

Showdogs have to not only LOOK GOOD, but they must also be put together correctly, move clean with reach and drive, have a better than average temperment AND show (tail up in the ring at all times)

Go check out a show sometime. You might be impressed.

klrconcrete · Post by **klrconcrete** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:05 am

So basically they have to look good and behave. Kurt

WSRandy · Post by **WSRandy** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:10 am

Why would anyone want to raise and sell pups anyway........even the best breeder can only breed a bitch 2 times a year! Seems like the real money is in the stud dog. I know a gentleman a few years back who purchased a very well known UBGF stud dog for $10,000........his buddy told me he had already bred enough dogs in 9 months to make back $8,000+ of his investment

A bitch will never match the stud in cash flow........so the logical thing to do would be to not sell pups. Keep them and pick your best males, then get rid of the rest for top $$ after they are started and finish your males to stud. Seems the odds would be more in the breeders favor. Just my thoughts.

Back to my hole,
Randy

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:42 pm

klrconcrete wrote:So basically they have to look good and behave. Kurt

Okay, so basically all field Beagles have to do is chase a rabbit.

WSRandy · Post by **WSRandy** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:03 pm

Honey Pot Hounds wrote:Okay, I have not sold my first puppy yet but I have refered several families to my fellow show Beagle breeders in the North East who easily sell puppies to pet homes for $1000.00 each.

Do your fellow show breeders sell them or just put them in foster homes?

After reading: Our pups are placed with a written agreement and are sold to Approved Homes only. Our contract requires all puppies sold as companions must be spayed or neutered and they are sold on AKC Limited registration. AKC Limited Registration means in the event the dog sires or bitch whelps a litter, the offspring will not be registrable by the AKC. The purpose of this provision is to prevent unwanted puppies from being born. We also state in our contract if at any time you cannot keep your Beagle you agree to return the dog to us. Our interest in a new buyer does not end with the sale of the puppy. We try to keep in touch with our new puppy owners and we will continue to help you with any questions or problems you may encounter with your puppy or adult. Our interest lasts for the life of the dog. Pups sold with AKC full registration are placed into new homes on co-ownership agreement. We do not sell pups with full registration without retaining co-own status unless the buyer is well known to us.

Sounds more like I would be purchasing the right and signing a contract to be a foster parent for your pups, lol.

Randy

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:16 pm

Do your fellow show breeders sell them or just put them in foster homes?

No, they SELL puppies. We only put adult or rescue Beagles in foster homes. Foster dogs are neutered or spayed and placed free or for a small fee. Puppies are sold to the general public (approved homes) with AKC limited registration. Puppies sold to fellow show exhibitors are often sold on a co-ownership basis where the breeder of the pup stays on the registration to ensure their bloodlines are used in a way agreeable to both parties.

klrconcrete · Post by **klrconcrete** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:32 pm

It may surprise you how many hunters answer yes to that question, if they do it right under any conditions then yes that is what they are bred to do.

Hilltop Kennels · Post by **Hilltop Kennels** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:26 pm

tommyg wrote:
Hilltop Kennels wrote:I have been watching this post and was going to stay out of the complaining on how much dogs and pups are worth. But I have one thing to say, WHAT YOU PAY FOR IS WHAT YOU GET and every once in a great while you will find a deal, not very often anymore. If you do not want to pay 200 for a pup then don't. I always look at the price and ask myself would I pay that for a pup or older dog and if so then I would give that for the animal. What makes me sick people will pay $500 to $600 for a puppy to make a house dog out of it, but will not pay that for a good running rabbit dog. If you really want to complain, go look at coon dog prices and bird dog prices and tell me you are not getting a deal at $200 dollars for a good breed puppy.
You don't always get what you pay for,and Beagles will catch up to bird and coon dog prices soon enough.

If you read my post all the way, you will see I said every once in a while you will get a deal. My problem is people crying because they have to pay $200 dollars for a good breed pup. Try waking up in this world and I will say this again YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR MOST OF THE TIME!!!!!!
If your not satisfied paying what a person is asking then don't and go on your way and go find a cheaper pup somewhere else.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:43 pm

WSRandy wrote:Why would anyone want to raise and sell pups anyway........even the best breeder can only breed a bitch 2 times a year! Seems like the real money is in the stud dog. I know a gentleman a few years back who purchased a very well known UBGF stud dog for $10,000........his buddy told me he had already bred enough dogs in 9 months to make back $8,000+ of his investment A bitch will never match the stud in cash flow........so the logical thing to do would be to not sell pups. Keep them and pick your best males, then get rid of the rest for top $$ after they are started and finish your males to stud. Seems the odds would be more in the breeders favor. Just my thoughts.

Back to my hole,
Randy

I asked my friend Leah Bertagnolli what her thoughts were on this as she has the #1 ranked 15" show Beagle who also happens to be a top producing stud dog. Her response:

This might be true in about 2% of the stud dogs. Unless you are breeding hundreds of bitches to one dog or the dogs fee is really high (in which case people won't likely use him) then you are not likely to make "BIG BUCKS" with a stud dog. The person making back his money is also going to have to hope that after his cost has been covered that the dog is producing well and that people will keep coming with bitches.
A dogs popularity is usually fleeting. Also, keep in mind that it may seem real easy to just bring a bitch in for breeding and let your dog do his job.. If only it were that easy.
You must ensure that the bitch is seperated from other dogs you must have a brucellosis done on her or have the owners provide this info you must care and feed for this bitch while she is with you. Possibly you might have to pick her up and take her back to the airport or meet someone to deliver her. Then of course what if she decides she is having NONE of this. Maybe a trip to the vet for AI? Of course only 1 dog is going to get her so, you have the rest of the males throwing fits. Its a lot of responsibility.
What if you have 3 bitches that must use "mr wonderful" all at once? I would much rather raise a healthy litter of puppies than stand my dog at stud to every Bitch that shows up at my door. I would ask what a normal field puppy is sold for? Possibly raising the price of your well bred puppies would be a better course of action?

Just my 2 cents...

Leah Bertagnolli

daustin · Post by **daustin** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:40 pm

One other thing to add to Honey Pots post:
If you stud that dog to any and all females then you will lose popularity of your stud. This is because your stud and that female may magnify any faults and produce bad pups. This gets around that your dog can't produce and then no one wants to breed to that stud.

And as far as the price of pups. You buy and feed what you like, I'll do the same.

Dane

Incahoots · Post by **Incahoots** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:09 pm

Okay, so basically all field Beagles have to do is chase a rabbit.

Depends what is aimed for. This is a pup from Jake Teter and Mitch Gould. Not only does he have conformation but at 10 mo old he is more then capable winning in trials. He has been gun hunted over since 6 mo old all solo runs.

White River Pure Chaos

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Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:28 pm

Is he the same pup in your avatar? Either way he is one nice looking boy. Congrats!

Incahoots · Post by **Incahoots** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:36 pm

Yes, he is. He's "daddys" boy lol and thank you

Ricko · Post by **Ricko** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:19 pm

I don’t understand how you can compare a show dog to a hunting dog! From what I’ve seen at the dog shows I’ve been to, you just have to have a dog that looks like it’s got some life in it, can run in a circle at the end of a lead keeping its tail and head up! Oh, it helps too if you hire a high priced and well-known handler to show your dog for you in that circle for the judge to see. And in regards to shows, it really helps too, if you only pick those shows with judges that like the looks of your dog and have “put them up” at previous shows they’ve judged. You know, the faster you get that champion title the sooner you can charge the big bucks! I know someone will say there’s more to it than that, but come on, we’re not running a beagle through an obedience trial here going for a CDX where a dog is actually expected to perform some required tasks! This is like comparing apples to oranges, the only thing in common is they’re both dogs. When you think of show dogs, think Lexus, Beamers, and Hummers!
When you think of hunting dogs, think bib overalls and pickup trucks with a smelly dog box in the back! LOL
Oh come on chill out, don't you show people have any sense of humor?