EXTREME STAMINA??

[stavemillbeagles]

I never said they were junk or culls but had waverage hunt, the original poster said extreme. These dogs didn't have extreme by any ones standard. They ran nice and would go jump there own rabbit, I've killed rabbits over all 3 of them solo.

The original poster said extreme stamina, not extreme hunt

[Newt]

The original poster said extreme stamina, not extreme hunt

That makes me wonder if he was talking about "pack dogs" that could run all day, every day, as long as another jumped the rabbit and got the checks for it to keep game moving?

[chris83]

I never said they were junk or culls but had waverage hunt, the original poster said extreme. These dogs didn't have extreme by any ones standard. They ran nice and would go jump there own rabbit, I've killed rabbits over all 3 of them solo.

The original poster said extreme stamina, not extreme hunt

Your right he didnt, but how do you build extreme stamina in a dog that fades off after a hard day of running to the point that there no longer doing much at all solo or pack ? The dog has been fed purina pro plan 30/20, wasn't soft had the time put in him (all were males). I agree with the the other poster stamina is a desire thing, you may get them in shape but it's bred in them or it's not. The ones I had it wasn't, my other two dogs would go stronger longer would basically hunt as long as I wanted to not come back and walk around me and wait for me to jump a rabbit for them or I can only imagine go back to the truck. Does that help explain what I'm saying about the hounds that I MY SELF owned ?

[BAR-NONE]

I never said they were junk or culls but had waverage hunt, the original poster said extreme. These dogs didn't have extreme by any ones standard. They ran nice and would go jump there own rabbit, I've killed rabbits over all 3 of them solo.

The original poster said extreme stamina, not extreme hunt

I'm sorry but that is a poor excuse to get your point across I've been keeping up with this thread and that's about as bad as it gets in my opinion. I mean what is hunt without stainima an vise versa. I probably haven't seen as many dogs as you all but I've seen plenty that stand at my feet and do nothing until the rabbit is up and your right they could go day in and day out. But they won't have a place in my kennel. I'm not the most in-shape person in the world but I could judge cast all day everyday by ear. I wouldn't say I have extreme stamina heck if you made me judge it right I'd probably only last a cast

[S.R.Patch]

Stamina lend itself to many other qualities. Heart, desire and bottom, you never know until you ask your hound to give all he's got. There's no doubt when a hound get tired, hunt suffers. That's the first thing we noticed running hare, all hounds would still get in and run but it was noticeable the third day some hounds were showing wear by their lack of desire to start game.
Packing your hound picks up the pace of the run, soloing the hound it goes at it's own pace and it not pushed to steady exertion by pressure/competition.
Most that run hare with their cottontail hounds will tell you it's hard to condition there hound for hare, especially as they age but it is the attribute of correct conformation of a well built hound along with the insatiable desire to start & pursue it's game that carries it well past the average hound. jmho

[stavemillbeagles]

bar none, there is a difference between hunt and stamina and if you don't know the difference thats your problem and I'm not going to explain it. My point was I never said my dogs had extreme hunt but my dogs do have extreme stamina. my dogs have good to above average hunt some better than others.

Chris83, I'm sorry that the dogs you had didn't work out for you but none of them came from my house or my kennel, I'm sure the dogs you had an out cross on one end of their pedigree or the other or maybe was just a cross that just didn't work out. Hope you find what you're looking for in your dogs.

[tom summers]

I been following this post and we all searching for an answer that I feel may be more simple and we just maybe over looking the obvious? Some hounds like all other species have the ability to perform better than others, whether it be speed, stamina, line control etc. With that being said you will have hounds in all blood lines that have the ability to run longer and have more "Grit" than a littermate it is just a fact. How many times have you seen littermates that act or perform entirely different? I do feel that your chances maybe increased with particular bloodlines or a sire or dam but the hound just plain and simple has to have the talent.
JMO , Tom Summers

[Little Hawk]

Great post Tom Summers

[stavemillbeagles]

I'm taking this as a personal invite to come run in some new killer running grounds.

Your always welcome to come run dogs and i do have some good running grounds. We don't have to agree on everything about dogs too have a good time running dogs my wife and i are proof of that lol.

[chris83]

I'm taking this as a personal invite to come run in some new killer running grounds.

Your always welcome to come run dogs and i do have some good running grounds. We don't have to agree on everything about dogs too have a good time running dogs my wife and i are proof of that lol.

10-4 sounds good.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

Extreme stamina?? You'll know it when you see it!
Running rabbits is an athlete's job.It requires hounds to go into places no one really wants to go and route out game.Once that is accomplished,they have to continue to pursue as long as it takes to account for the game regardless of weather,terrain and briars. Proper conformation will give the hound a headstart in this direction,but that must be combined with natural stamina and the trainer's ,physical conditioning.
There is a great deal of difference in the athletic ability of hounds.Hounds bred for running snowshoe hare usually have enormous physical power and stamina,brought about by the need for a hound that can run as fast as an Olympic athlete for the six or seven hours it takes to run in a Large Pack trial.And to plow through deep snow on an all day hunt.A properly bred hound should appear "bottomless" and be able to run all day while hunting,regardless of how long the day gets.
Ther are many hounds bred for running cottontail that have their share or power and stamina but in general the hounds in their background have never been called on to do it at such speed and for that duration.
I live in the south [cottontail ] country so it goes without saying that my dogs are run and trained on them 99% of the time.I'll also tell you that my hounds are 99% northern hare breeding in their backgrounds.They are athletic,up on legs and run on the upper medium-fast scale.
I lived in the north country for 21 years and still get up there fairly regularly to hare hunt with friends.Each year before I go I put as much running on my beagles as I can trying to get them in good hard shape the month before I go.Be that as it may,it is still hard to get your hounds in "hare running shape" on cottontails.Just not the same thing---apples to oranges.
I'm up north for 2-3 weeks and we hunt almost every day [except for travel or bad storms ].I expect my hounds to go every day--and they do! I'm not saying that they don't get run down as they do but I've never had one quit.
Three years ago I took three females with me and spent a week hunting by myself in the northern most corner of New Hampshire up around the Connecticut Lakes on the Canadian border.I hunted six days about 6-7 hours a day and had super good running with lots of hare.
The dogs rested as I took a day to drive over and up into northern Maine where I hunted with two friends and their packs of hounds for six more days again going about 6-7 hours a day and really pounded them up there.
Dogs got a rest as we drove back down to go to a Large Pack on Hare Trial at the Claremont Beagle club the next day.
None of my dogs had ever been in a LP trial before.I entered all three.These dogs had been hunted hard 12 out of the past 14 days and had been hauled a couple of thousand miles in the dog box.
The trial started at 8:00 A.M. when we turned 36 15" females loose.We had running all day and they had cut the pack down to 7 dogs by the time they called Field Trial at 4:30 P.M.=8 1/2 hours later.
My Rainy dog took 1'st,my Dixie dog took 3'rd and Sirrea didn't place but had stayed down till the end.
When it came time to get them on the bench for their ribbons and pictures I had to carry them up in my arms as they wouldn't walk another step and just were completely gassed! But they had hunted up till we leashed them.
I felt kinda bad as my dogs were really looking pretty rough.When I think of extreme stamina I always think about those hounds and that trip.What a way to end it!
Rainy is basically I'F.C. Maravic's Blue Ninja,I.F.C. Haunted Hill Shaker and I.F.C. Branko's Lumberjack breeding.Dixie was out of I.F.C. Greenwell's Reggie and F.C. Syris McGee breeding and Sierra was F.C. Turbo Charged Thunder Blue x Branko's Sassy Suzie.
These females have all the "bottom" or stamina I could want.Don't think you would go wrong in looking at these bloodlines for that "extreme stamina".

[kwolf]

Thanks Shady Grove Beagles for sharing your story , this is what I was asking for when I started this post. I also have hare bred dogs but run only on cottontail, the females you talked about have what I am looking for in a hound . If you still have them and are planning to breed them in the near future please contact me . A couple years ago Better Beagling had a 3 part story on a dog called Drummer I want dogs that are tough as he was . Ron Preston

[rabbitearl]

Give me the rabbits and I would take a 3 hr dog anytime.I just cannot hold up hunting over a dog for 8 hr in just one day.I don t want to think about the 2nd day.

[Owl Creek]

I found in my kennel that dogs with the Happy Run Calico Celm have it.
from what i have read that is one of the things Dan Kane breeds for.
and it would be hard to argue his success.