Little Pack/ Midwest

[bill (flint river )]

never really owned a brace style, maybe a gun dog brace. I am telling ya some males will imprint a lot of there dna.

[chapkosbeagles]

the ? is will they inprint speed to the point they can take a brace bitch and make the pups fast?


dose anyone on this board no of a brace bitch that thew wind splitter.. i am not talking med speed i am talking fast?

[johns03272008]

So why do you get still get slow pups if both parents are barn burners??

[bill (flint river )]

like I said I never tried it, but I beleave it is possible. one thing I have always ben told speed is the easiest thing to breed in to pups.

[chapkosbeagles]

slow or med speed? that is the spectrum thing i was trying to explain in my first post

[chapkosbeagles]

like I said I never tried it, but I beleave it is possible. one thing I have always ben told speed is the easiest thing to breed in to pups.

i was told the same all you need is a fast bitch lol bill there is always exceptions

[bill (flint river )]

So why do you get still get slow pups if both parents are barn burners??

hard to tell, I have thought about this a lot latly, I have a grand daughter to lake ogamaw casey that is med speed, no reason, every thing in her ped is fast. she has ben bread once and thos pups were alittle faster, but I am going to breed her to a wild crazy over running mofo and see what happens.

[chapkosbeagles]

So why do you get still get slow pups if both parents are barn burners??

hard to tell, I have thought about this a lot latly, I have a grand daughter to lake ogamaw casey that is med speed, no reason, every thing in her ped is fast. she has ben bread once and thos pups were alittle faster, but I am going to breed her to a wild crazy over running mofo and see what happens.

the last few sentances of my orginal post about the study i had done......

[johns03272008]

So why do you get still get slow pups if both parents are barn burners??

hard to tell, I have thought about this a lot latly, I have a grand daughter to lake ogamaw casey that is med speed, no reason, every thing in her ped is fast. she has ben bread once and thos pups were alittle faster, but I am going to breed her to a wild crazy over running mofo and see what happens.

the last few sentances of my orginal post about the study i had done......

So correct me if I'm wrong but your saying breed a slow male to a fast female to get fast pups?? Or breed a fast male to a slow female to get slower dogs??? I'm sorry but if that is what your saying I have to say that sounds like a bunch of

[Pacman]

So many times in a breeding or while talking about pups all you hear in the conversation is 'the Sire'. He throws this style of dog, he throws that...etc.. What I am getting ready to say is absolutely nothing new. However, it seems as if it is hardly ever brought up. It is a mix of the DNA between the sire and the dam. For instance, you could breed male A to female B and get a majority of the litter as being one style of pup. You could take that same bitch and breed her to a male out of the same litter as male A (his full brother) and get a different style of pup. It is a mixture of the DNA. The point I am trying to make is that the bitch has as much to offer as does the sire. Now which traits get passed along from which parent, will probably be debated after we are all long gone. And this doesn't just go from what the pup looks like (color),then there is nose, hunt, foot, mouth, of the pup, etc. I think it is between the two individual dogs that are breed and what dominate gene or genes that those two dogs put into their pups. For instance, if they are both strong genetically in foot, you're gonna get a doubled up on that gene. So your pups should have way above average foot and so on. I am by no means a professional breeder but in my opinion and observation I have noticed these things.

Gary

[chapkosbeagles]

jon
what i am saying is you can take a brace female and breed her to anything and you WILL NOT GET FAST BEAGLES.....a fast bitch when breed to a brace male will always throw a higher percentage of faster pups. IN MY TEST SUBJECTS ANYWAY...


can anyone on this board give me 1 windspitting beagle that came right out of a brace female...... there are exceptions to ever rule there has to be a couple


i am no breeder or do i no anything about beagles.. i am just some dumb old idot that cant spell nor talk.. all of you guys are way smarter than i. i will just shut my mouth... leave it to you experts

[begles]

chapkosbeagles
non of them are experts, or they would be at the top of the charts every time you looked. just a lot of oponions.

[Lone Pine Beagles]

I think I understand what Chapko is saying.

A fast female has a greater tendency to produce "speed", than a fast male would.
Percentage wise.... looking at all pups in the litter I agree.

I had a pp grand champion female that had wheels.

I bred her to a flat med. speed weir creek male to tone down the pups.
The pups didn't slow down much but ran with more control.
One female was even faster than her mother!!

Back to the question:
I guess if you wanted to speed up your stock...breed to a male that is quite a bit faster and keep as many pups as you can.

[BigWoods]

Actually he is not looking to add speed. He is looking for a line that has extreme hunt but also that has the most control.

[mybeagles]

The 3 year old female I'm running now is out of fast Double Turbo female X Greenbay Shooter. She runs about a 6 speed with control similar to Shooter.....No way did she get her speed from female side.

The other female in my kennel is out of Shooter female that throws fast pups so Andre bred her to slower SPO dog that runs flat medium. Again my female took after slower male.

If you breed fast dog to slow dog you will get both in every litter. They will get speed from both male and female. Only thing that will change the percentages is a heavy line bred dog or dog with strong progeny for stamping pups. Sex has nothing to do with it.

Best way to get a consistent speed is to breed two dogs with same speed that have several generations of dogs with same speed. Even then you will get a pup that pops up with unusual speed one way or another.

Andy,

Your female was bred close which makes traits more dominant. If you bred a loose bred female to inbred male, the male traits would be stronger. The advantage of close bred dogs is to place stronger predictable stamp on pups. If its a good trait it's nice benefit, if its bad trait you may have high percentage of culls