Who is akc top reprodcing sire of all time

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Does that slick dog have a sterring wheel? Seems like he should based off his pedigree. Ive heard a lot of stories that dogs that win up north can run a hare well but are just fast and never shut up, fill in the gaps with mouth till they hit the track again then roll on....the whole time the packs strung out wondering what the hells goin on. Wouldnt mind tryin somethin outcrossed from up that way but I dont want any extra mouth over the end and they have to be able to turn...... I gotta still run cottontails around here.

Thanks Neil. Any dog with that kinda record has to give ya Wood. Blue Bud in general services also claims a pretty impressive record. How does slick match on Cottontail? How does a northern dog like that keep from having people lined around the corner to bred too? He would almost be worth making a extended weekend just to watch him go if he is as solid as the ped and record................. Also i always heard Striker had half azz hunt any truth to it ?

[mdbeagler]

Does that slick dog have a sterring wheel? Seems like he should based off his pedigree. Ive heard a lot of stories that dogs that win up north can run a hare well but are just fast and never shut up, fill in the gaps with mouth till they hit the track again then roll on....the whole time the packs strung out wondering what the hells goin on. Wouldnt mind tryin somethin outcrossed from up that way but I dont want any extra mouth over the end and they have to be able to turn...... I gotta still run cottontails around here.

Plenty of straight cottontail bred dogs that run just how you described.
If that is what you have seen of hare bred dogs you might want to check some different dogs out running hare.
Most of my dogs are hare bred and they do just fine.

[pcable]

Kimbrel, I have Slick's half brother here in Eastern KY. He has no problem running cottontail with speed and line control. He doesn't have any extra mouth. I guess you could say that almost everything in my kennel is harehound breeding and they are not at all crazy or mouthy.

[mdbeagler]

Does that slick dog have a sterring wheel? Seems like he should based off his pedigree. Ive heard a lot of stories that dogs that win up north can run a hare well but are just fast and never shut up, fill in the gaps with mouth till they hit the track again then roll on....the whole time the packs strung out wondering what the hells goin on. Wouldnt mind tryin somethin outcrossed from up that way but I dont want any extra mouth over the end and they have to be able to turn...... I gotta still run cottontails around here.

Thanks Neil. Any dog with that kinda record has to give ya Wood. Blue Bud in general services also claims a pretty impressive record. How does slick match on Cottontail? How does a northern dog like that keep from having people lined around the corner to bred too? He would almost be worth making a extended weekend just to watch him go if he is as solid as the ped and record................. Also i always heard Striker had half azz hunt any truth to it ?

Slick is in NEWfoundland which makes it a little difficult for most to breed to him, which is why I think Harry is bringing him to his place to give more guys the opportunity to breed to him.
Adam Seger had Slick at his place last year and he said Slick caught on pretty fast to running a cottontail.
Of course if a dog has never run cottontail it takes a little bit to adjust and switch over, if they have the brains.
Problem is there are a lot of hare bred dogs that don't have the brains to switch over to cottontail, therefore they don't make it on cottontail.
They have to have the brains to gear down for cottontail.
I do know that Kickazz is run on both hare and cottontail and his record is pretty impressive too.
As far as Striker not having much hunt, his reproducing power speaks for it's self.
I have several that were directly out of Striker and they all had good hunt to extreme hunt.
I have watched several out of Striker run that had really hard hunt, I am sure you can find some out of him that don't
hunt as hard.

[hounddog]

I have several Awful Bawlin hounds that run a cottontail and Hare equally. No extra mouth on either. That is one fault that will get them a quick ride from the farm. If anything, they may be a little tight with their mouths, but very honest.
I look forward to our annual trip up north in October. I love pounding hare!

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

[chapkosbeagles]

will slick bark from behind or dose he olny toung in the front. this is my main question cause i have seen ace turn off striker dogs like light switches not all thow. some would not bark from behind. in this yard there is not going to be a dog that is out front all the time or i will sell the rest and just keep that one. all my best go back and forth each one getting its licks in.

[hard on a check]

I do know that Kickazz is run on both hare and cottontail and his record is pretty impressive too.

Kickaz definitely does a Nice job on cottontail..
No extra mouth,Good foot,& Great control..
Very impressive hound.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

Neil Kimbrel
I found it strange when you said you'd heard that the northern hare hounds never shut up and fill in the gaps with their mouth until they jump another one or recover the line.
I find it just the opposite.I grew up in New England running cottontail and hare in Massachusetts and then lived in New Hampshire for 21 years running hare only.
I find that many of the southern cottontail dogs here in Tn. tend to be loose mouthed,pop off in the check area and many seem to cold trail all over the place.
I've been line breeding the Blue Ninja blood since 1993 and all of my dogs absolutely will shut up as soon as they lose scent,don't pop off in the check,when they claim they are firing out of there,they don't cold trail,when they open the rabbit is up and running.Some might consider them a tad on the tight side but they are as honest as can be.That is their style whether hunting cottontail or swampers here in the south and no different when I take them to northern Maine for a couple of weeks.
Where I lived in middle Tn. and now here in east Tn. I share running grounds with fellows that run and trial U.B.G.F. dogs.Talk about dogs that never shut up!!!!! To listen to them you'd think they were having a sight chase and the ones I've watched at length bark all the time they are working out a check.

[NeilKimbrel7]

I guess Ive been misunderstood. Im not bashing anyones dog or harehounds in general. I simply asked if slick had a steering wheel. I followed that up with a seperate statement saying I heard from people in the north, not just chapko, that dogs where winning in this manner. Ive also heard they could win and no one ever see the hare. I never heard that about slick, just a few other hounds. Ive never been to a hare trial so i dont have an opinion about it. And shady, you are right. There are cottontail dogs that do run like that. Mine dont. The guys I trial with dont run dogs like that either.

[bill (flint river )]

I guess Ive been misunderstood. Im not bashing anyones dog or harehounds in general. I simply asked if slick had a steering wheel. I followed that up with a seperate statement saying I heard from people in the north, not just chapko, that dogs where winning in this manner. Ive also heard they could win and no one ever see the hare. I never heard that about slick, just a few other hounds. Ive never been to a hare trial so i dont have an opinion about it. And shady, you are right. There are cottontail dogs that do run like that. Mine dont. The guys I trial with dont run dogs like that either.

lmao, so u are asking a ??? because u heard a rumor that how hounds win. sounds to me somebody got there feeling hurt in a trial and know are making up reason why they got there azz kicked. maybe u should watch a true large pack on hare trial and pay close attion. there have ben lots of hounds lose there mind in large pack. cant take the pressure. but a lot of the great hounds that u know could.

[NeilKimbrel7]

No im not asking a question about the trials. I only asked a question about slick.

[chapkosbeagles]

i will asked again dose slick bark if he is not on the front of the race? this is a very serious ? as i will cull them if they dont bark from behind. it sucks too have 10 dogs down and olny hearing the first 2 or 3. i have had several striker dogs and olny one will bark if she is farther than 3 dogs back in the pack.... THAT IS FTCH MCBRIDES LUCKY PEARL. BY FAR THE NICEST STRIKER DOG I HAVE OWNED AND SHE IS A BIT TIGHT MOUTH BUT THE SPEED I LIKE

[Lil.Bredemeier]

i will asked again dose slick bark if he is not on the front of the race? this is a very serious ? as i will cull them if they dont bark from behind. it sucks too have 10 dogs down and olny hearing the first 2 or 3. i have had several striker dogs and olny one will bark if she is farther than 3 dogs back in the pack.... THAT IS FTCH MCBRIDES LUCKY PEARL. BY FAR THE NICEST STRIKER DOG I HAVE OWNED AND SHE IS A BIT TIGHT MOUTH BUT THE SPEED I LIKE

If you have ten dogs on the ground an only two or three are barking maybe the ones in the back that aren't have some brains cause I doubt there smelling much rabbit?

[chapkosbeagles]

WELL THEY LACK NOSE THAN. IF A DOG CANT BARK FROM 5 DOGS DEEP. MEANS THEY DONT HAVE THE NOSE TO LIVE HERE.



I AM THINKING THAT THIS BIG BAD STUDD DOG OLNY BARKS OUT FRONT CAUSE THESE CANADIAN BOYS WONT GIVE ME A ANSWER. this is my make or break question if i were too bring a top bitch too him. i dont like a tight mouth dog. IT IS AS MUCH OF A FAULT AS MOUTHY.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS DOG RUN, SO I DONT THINK IT IS A UNREASONABLE QUESTION. MAYBE THE THIRD TIME IS A CHARM


HARRY SNOW JR. WILL HE BARK FROM BEHIND. I GOT THIS BITCH FTCH MCBRIDES LUCKY PEARL AND I THINK SHE MIGHT MATCH UP PRETTY GOOD WITH OLD SLICK. THAT IS IF HE WILL BARK FROM BEHIND SHE IS TIGHT ENOUGH DONT WANT TO DOUBLE IT UP

[craigmcm]

I just saw this post and find it very interesting to talk about.

To get back to the original question, I only know this because my grandfather, "when alive", ran traditional brace in the 70's, 80's and 90's, but there were two dogs that everyone knew, that produced 120-130 FC's each. River Oaks Archie and River Oaks Gary. My pap had dogs out of both. There is another dog in traditional that Im confident is the top producing stud of all time, probably in any format with 164 FC's sired, which is Wind Creek Limbo. God only knows the number of breedings that dog had though. Regardless, 164 is a very, very impressive number, even though traditional brace is a joke now, and has been for some time.

As far as gundog brace and SPO I'd say Shorts Pro is the top producer as far as number of FC's sired, but Im sure there are studs with better percentages, as Pro had a TON of breedings.

Great topic!!!