How bad u wanna WIN

[CHAD CAMPBELL]

This is on the verge of becoming sad. People want to jump on here act like everything is black and white but they cant measure there own dog without coming up with a quarter inch difference or more in the own measurings. Let alone all the different measurements you get at other clubs by other breed inspectors. I guess they are all dishonest and cheaters right? No, most are just guys doing the best the can with a system that in the real world can never be perfect or exact. Go ahead and say yours measures the same everytime, everywhere and we will all know you are a liar. I'm not saying anyone should run a oversized hound or that it should be allowed. The rules are necessary and needed. But as i said in my earlier post a 15in hound(which is legal) or any hound that is close will measure on both sides of that mark. It could be that everyone needs to cull everthing that they think could measure over 14 1/2in. That may be the only way to solve the problem.

[Swampman]

Chad,
I don't think culling anything over 14 1/2" is the answer.
Just realize, if you have a borderline hound and someone asks for your hound to be measured and regardless if it does or doesn't measure over, accept it.
Don't come on a forum and bash them for it and try to get everyone to jump on the bashing bandwagon.

I can't stand bullies, and that is exactly what was happening.
Someone was being bullied for something he had a right to do when he paid his entry fee.
The original poster, BG BEAGLER even stated "last person I called out hasn't measured a dog since spring nationals two years ago and yea we were in the finals...."
The bullying may have worked for him two years ago, but I believe it backfired on him this time.

I don't care how anyone wants to try and justify this behavior, it is childish and in my opinion shouldn't be accepted.

I will say that this thread has brought to light some important issues, both judging and procedures that need to be dealt with by the ARHA.
For the measuring procedure, measure them all at entry, problem solved.
As for the judging issues as seen with some of the threatening posts, clean house of the bad ones and enact quarterly, bi-yearly or yearly judging seminars.

Trials should be competitive yet fun, but just like in hounds, people being over competitive is destructive.

[powerstroke85]

lets start this thread over att arha board members the measuring system isnt working out there was a dog being measured at the finials at the world why would a grand be measured i dont agree with challenging the dogs size in the finials at any hunt what the handler did was his right but why put this much tention on the handlers maybe we can act like sportmen and get this problem resolved i personley dont have a problem with a dogs size but this is a topic that has been brought up in the past and it was tried to be fixed with the card and it seems like it isnt working either measure all open dogs on entre and once they champion out no need to measure them

[CHAD CAMPBELL]

Trials should be competitive yet fun, but just like in hounds, people being over competitive is destructive

I agree with some of your post and can respect your opinion. I guess i see people calling out dogs that they think they have a chance of getting rid of, hoping that they measure out, without having to beat them in the field is in itself the same. Look at the hooray this has caused. The measurement of a dog that was a Grand, had his AHRA measuring card and had already advanced to the finals? I would think it would be easy to see where some would think this was a cheap shot at getting rid of competition. JMHO

topic that has been brought up in the past and it was tried to be fixed with the card and it seems like it isnt working

Right, because it has become pretty obvious to all that the card is worthless and means nothing except you donated eight bucks. It is a start in the right direction but right now doesn't hold the power to do or mean anything except cause more problems for all. Case and point.

[APFII]

All I can say about it is this. And if it gets my judges licens revoked so be it. If you call for a hound in any cast im judging at the stake to be measured after they have all been measured at the start of the hunt or have a card. I can only asume that you like going by the book as it were. So your dog needs to be extremly covincing for me to score it....I mean text book! Pretty much have to completely dominate to win the cast. Cause some rules are just kinda unspoken.

WOW. Anybody that would judge a dog differently from the rest of the cast,because of the owner,should not be carrying a judges card. Your only job is to find the best dog that day,not punish the owner.

[SUNRISE10]

It is hard for me to understand.If dog is 15'' or under..It shoudn't matter if he is open or grand, first or last round when he is measured..If he is over 15'' he shouldn't have been there in first place ..What am I missing.Please explain..Looks to me like system is working..

[Little Indian Creek]

Just for the record it is not just the ARHA that has this issue. I have a 16" dog in my pen that more than one person has told me to take to an akc trial and promised he would not measure out. As for every body who keeps saying measure them all at registry and be done with it, do you know how easy it would be to take a 14" dog in to get measured and then run a 15 1/4" dog when the time comes especially at a 600 dog event. You have to have the protest open at the stake period. And for the judge that said what he did is why size issue has got so carried away to begin with.

[bwe007]

mowhawk madman you should be banned from judging. I hope fred is smart enough to look up your dog's names with arha and revoke your judging liscense.

[fulcount]

After reading thru this thread I can see where you guys in ARHA have some
real problems
If and when your registery gets up to this country I certainly will stay clear of it
Your just like a bunch of Kids
Why would anyone do anything out of line to eliminate a dog from Competition!!
Isnt that what trials are all about ? Lets see if we are the best or can we beat the
best?
Measure at entry and get over it!!!!!

[Chuck Prather]

Mohawk Madman should be banned from ARHA for making that statement. Judges like him are why alot of people stayed home from the World. There are some really good people that spend hard earned money to go to hunts and then a judge admits this on a public forum? Hope he never gets a chance to judge or run in ARHA again! Man up Mohawk and tell us your real name!

[carl arn]

I was at a akc judging seminar were 57 people measured the same hound and only 4 had the same number . that said asking to have a hound measured is just plain chicken sh-- back when i trialed there were true houndsman you hardly ever had anyone ask to have a hound measured and never at the finales of the world.

[powerstroke85]

It is hard for me to understand.If dog is 15'' or under..It shoudn't matter if he is open or grand, first or last round when he is measured..If he is over 15'' he shouldn't have been there in first place ..What am I missing.Please explain..Looks to me like system is working..

your saying that this is working one guys saying he wont judge the dogs fair and guys mad at each other for the measuring system there was no rule in the grands that wasbeing broken dog measured in guy asked for measurement it just caused hard feelings toward both parties that didnt need to be there in the first place jmo dont know any parties involved but it does suck having a border lined dog measured in the finials if they make it through the first round they shouldnt be challenged again but acording to the rule it was his right to do so i dont agree with it at all hopefully arha takes a good look at these post and trys to fix the problem

[Hwy 30 kennels]

I have one thing I'm going to say about this whole or deal... The guy that had the dog DQ because of size it will always be in the back of you're head that you did not win far you had to get a dog DQ to win now I had rather be beat than to live with that on my mined the rest of my life.

[Swampman]

I have one thing I'm going to say about this whole or deal... The guy that had the dog DQ because of size it will always be in the back of you're head that you did not win far you had to get a dog DQ to win now I had rather be beat than to live with that on my mined the rest of my life.

You should read the entire thread before you post.

[rabbit chaser]

I have one thing I'm going to say about this whole or deal... The guy that had the dog DQ because of size it will always be in the back of you're head that you did not win far you had to get a dog DQ to win now I had rather be beat than to live with that on my mined the rest of my life.

You should read the entire thread before you post.