Beagles with hare hound blood?

[pawpawnick]

One of my hunting buddies has beagles with hare hound blood. His dogs are real fast and can run the rabbit good for 100 - 200 yrds. when the rabbit makes a turn they overrun the track and loose the rabbit. Is this a trait or a training issue?
Thanks

[Seth Shipman]

Dogs need solo time that would help a lot.

[ANTHONY KERR]

Do they all over run or is it just one or two ? All the dogs we run are of Hare Hound origin. We have worked to get dogs that have gears and brains to make the turns to keep the pressure on the rabbit. I had one a few years ago that was always the last one tongueing usually alone before a hard long check. I even made off season videos of the dogs running and would notice this. I started to leave him out and the running was better. Finally one day a rabbit shot out in a road and ran towars me and cut to my right. Whe the dogs came out he ran past me chopping every breath and the other dog made the turn. It was time for him to go even though he had a knack for winding and bed jumping rabbits. He was too competeitive and was hurting the pack.
All hare hounds are not slashing reaching over runners. We have a few that can steer the pack from behind and make turns with the best of them. Our pack may over run now, but the mouth shuts off when they don't smell a rabbit.

[adirondackjoe]

this happens to be a subject i know a little bit about. sounds like my dogs. when mine first start out they run like that but after they run a while they seem to calm down and get better as the day goes on. i have real good days once they get the nonsense out of them.

[Newt]

Anthony, you got it. Cull, cull, cull. You have to decide what you like and what you can tolerate. It takes a while to get what you like.
Question, since you deal with that style of dog. Do started pups in your line, exhibit the ability to stop and make the turns early in their development or do they learn. The reason that I ask, I have some pups that I am starting, some are cottontail bred and others hare bred and all are overunning pretty badly at this early stage.

[ANTHONY KERR]

I think running experience running is the key. After they are started running pups with a careful older dog helps out , but with that being said they should "get it" pretty quickly.

[Newt]

I think running experience running is the key. After they are started running pups with a careful older dog helps out , but with that being said they should "get it" pretty quickly.

I had litter of four or five a few years back with hare breeding. When they started it was like the OP said, they were everywhere and couldn't keep a rabbit moving. One day I was disgusted and started catching them and as I was about to catch and leash the last one a rabbit jumped up. I thought, I may as well see what the last one can do solo. To my surprise she ran that rabbit about as smooth as it could be ran at that speed. In running ability she about set the standard. She could run a rabbit until it was exhausted and would it squat, she would track it up and the race would continue. When the running conditions were bad she would walk until it was hot, then run with speed. One day she was scalding a rabbit in a cow pasture. The rabbit ran under a cows belly. Hasta was like a streak, ran under the cow, and was gone before the cow could kick. I sure miss her. I lost her while hunting a few years back.

[briarhopper]

I used to have dogs like that..were bred for hare too i recon. I called em hit n miss. They aint around no more. I run all cottuntail so thats the kind of dog i use. They run it like they are tied to it

[fjg2]

not all hare breed dogs hit run and miss

[adirondackjoe]

fjg2 wrote: not all hare hounds are hit and miss. amen to that.

[Househounds]

Training and experience. I did not put my dog with another until it could circle a rabbit reliably by itself. When they were young I would stay with them and if they completely lost the rabbit I would put them back on it. I just used my best judgement, sometimes I let them work it out, and other times I felt they needed to stay close to the rabbit and if I could, helped them to do so. I can tell you after the first couple seasons mine did not so much over run the line any more, they just slow way down and that can be frustrating, but they really tend to stick with it and get it done. And when the scenting is good its all out heads up running full blast.

If the dog is less then 2 seasons old I would give it more time, you could still get a good 7 or 8 years out of him.

[bigdogpace]

u have to find abloodline that dont hit and miss and stick with it hare hounds r all i run now somedays cant run anything but most of the time if some one dont kill him he get caught or go n aholler tree and as anthony said cull cull and then cull it will work if u r willing to work

[MaineDogs]

probably too much competitiveness, the only way he will ever clean up the pack is to get in on all the races and see who’s doing what. be careful running your dogs with his as yours are going to get like that too. a bad dog can ruin a good pack of young dogs.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

I moved to Tennessee from New Hampshire 17 years ago and brought 3 beagles with me when I did.These three were all less than 2 years old and had never seen a cottontail rabbit before as we had only snowshoe hare where I lived in N.H.
Their breeding was totally what you would call hare breeding coming out of New Hampshire,Vermont,up-state New York and Canadian hounds that had great success on the Large Pack on Hare circuit.The bloodlines were I.F.C. Maravic's Blue Ninja,I.F.C. Greenbriar's Birch Haven Merlin and Clarence Ward's Green Mountain kennel.The two females [Ninja and Merlin daughters ] made the transition to cottontails with little trouble.The Green Mtn. male never would gear down and work the closer running cottontail and was sent back north where he had a long and outstanding career as a "hare hound".
All the dogs I've had over the last 17 years are linebred Blue Ninja and are upper medium speed fast.They will bring all the cottontails to the gun I care to shoot.Some will think them fast and rough and I like the excitement as their "run to catch" style does it for me.Others want the U.B.G.F. style of what is often considered a true "southern style cottontail" hound but I find them too conservative and "scent trailers" for me.JMHO as always.

[HAREHOUND]

for what ever it is worth, i think beaglers take so called hare blood and cottontail blood and kind of stamp it in stone. i just look at them as beagles that have different running styles. i know that some maybe a little more suited to one or the others but to me, a good dog is a good dog. i have cottontails and hare in my back yard so i am not sure what ya call my blood because they run both in the same day or hour at times. i was questioned on why i would buy a pup out of kentucky to run on hare up in wisconsin but a couple turned out to be some of my best. most have been better than the so called hare blood that i was suppose to get. i was also told not to get a dog from across the line in the sand cause it wouldn't have enough nose. but i guess that my opinion is that tough conditions are tough conditions. it doesn't matter if it is cold/snow ice or it is hot an dry and hasn't rained in a month. some folks like slower hare dogs and some like fast cottontail dogs. i guess i don't get it and will just keep lookin for them hare/cottontail dogs that can do what i like on both.