Hard hunt/grit beagle line

[gfedor]

Pilotknob ,thats what im looking for. let me know if you find one. Lol.

[deerhost]

If I had it to do over again knowing what I know now.I would find the hardest hunting grittiest hounds I could.A line that consistantly reproduced them.Also with good control not ones that stayed broke down as much as they ran.Speed is the last thing on my list anymore.It can be added very easy in a generation or two.But as I've found out it is much harder to take it out if you want to slow them down a step or two.With consistant results

Pilot......You hit the nail on the head!

[sgc]

I totally agree with what Deerhost said in his first post (JMO). I got out of it 3 years ago because I didn't have the time. I won't get back in for about another year, but I'm heading to the MonroeToledo beagle trial March 2013 to see what they've got out there. My prior beagles were mostly midwest type. I plan on doing a lot of homework before starting again. I'd like to decide on a line, get a bitch & make contact with guys running & breeding that line. I know the Yellow Creek guys tried to do this years ago, but don't know what happened or how they fared.

[ohlinger]

You're going to buy a dog with grit/hunt not a bloodline...go find one. good luck. don't be cheap if you do find one. best advice i have for ya. if you're going to want it to hunt certain places get a dog that is "sickable" you can sick into the brush where you want it.

[mjohnson]

I've looked at way too many bloodlines looking for what I want in the Hunt/Grit dept; I'm sold on the DFJ/Weircreek stuff. My old male is linebred tight DFJ/Weircreek, he one of the grittiest jumpdogs I've ever seen. We've been breeding him with some awesome results. Yea he is producing some FC's, but more importantly to me he is producing JUMPDOGS.

It is our responsibility as breeders to make sure we have more than adequate hunt in our hounds. AKC FIELD TRIALS are not designed to reward hunt and jump! As a judge myself hunt is a must, but the rules in AKC trials do not put enough emphasis on hunt.

[S.R.Patch]

I remember one time I was judging a LP trial and I gave a hound jump/strike points and they all looked at me like I fell off my rocker, nobody does that! I said heck, the hound almost pulled the rabbit out by his tail and I saw it...
I too like a hound that searching to get hair in it's mouth...

[east80kennels]

there are a couple of bloodlines like this 1 is jedi, jump and run zena prime example. she holds the record for akc wins and the bloodline has the hunt and the grit your wanting along with brains. primetime does also. but its like these guys all said you will have to get out and find out what you belive in. look and watch all different types of bloodlines you be the judge on what you are wanting. dont let anyone tell u what they think cause what they think and what you think will be 2 different opinions.

[Dale L.]

I am a gun hunter and I can't stand a dog that doesn't hunt. I have found that the northway line and in particular heavy buzzsaw bred dogs please me consistently when it comes to the get in the briars all day kind of hunt I look for. What I have may noy be the fastest but they usually run between a 6-7 on my scale and that is what I like. The biggest fault I have is some of them are a little more competetive than I would like to see. But overall they please me.

[Newt]

You're going to buy a dog with grit/hunt not a bloodline...go find one. good luck. don't be cheap if you do find one. best advice i have for ya. if you're going to want it to hunt certain places get a dog that is "sickable" you can sick into the brush where you want it.

You don't have to hollar "sic-um" to a brush buster. They love the thick stuff. I have two now that are like that. However, they are getting old. One, Red, is ten, with three pups. I hope the pups got a heavy dose that gene. The other is nine and not what she once was. The dogs that I am talking about have the characterisic of, when you call them, they don't look for a path, they hunt their way through the thickest cover back to you. They are knda independent, they don't care about you, they are looking for the next rabbit. They can be frustrating when you are ready to go and they are not. Tritronics is the only way to control their desire. However, when you see a rabbit and yell "talley- ho" they come a running.
I was given Red by a friend a few months back because he turned 80, and was too old to run them. He told me she had lost her hearing. I discovered that she hadn't lost her hearing she was just determined and ignored my call. She could hear a "tone" souund, after she figgered out what was coming next.
These two have Kalagha up close, Gay, and Pearson Creek back a few generations. IMO, its the Pearson Creek and Gay that gave the hunt. I've known the dogs in that part of the pedigree for about five generations and can name the dogs that exhibited the "hunt".
I've thought about it often lately, if I let those two old bitches die, without keeping the trait alive, I'll be on here searching for hunt as well.

[pilotknob]

I've looked at way too many bloodlines looking for what I want in the Hunt/Grit dept; I'm sold on the DFJ/Weircreek stuff. My old male is linebred tight DFJ/Weircreek, he one of the grittiest jumpdogs I've ever seen. We've been breeding him with some awesome results. Yea he is producing some FC's, but more importantly to me he is producing JUMPDOGS.

It is our responsibility as breeders to make sure we have more than adequate hunt in our hounds. AKC FIELD TRIALS are not designed to reward hunt and jump! As a judge myself hunt is a must, but the rules in AKC trials do not put enough emphasis on hunt.

Would you consider your dogs to be an ARHA progressive pack style of hound.I'm not famillar with the DFJ hounds but there are alot of Weircreeks in that format.I have Mid-West hounds now I've slowed them down a little but they still want to get compeditive and are not as smooth and efficient on the line as I'ed like.Got great hunt and grit though getting there.Could you or anyone else give some info.on the style and type of hounds the DFJ dogs are.You arn't the first person to mention them haveing outstanding hunt.Thanks

[littlewoody]

Have you looked into the bramell hounds there Black and Tan in ky ? Northway hounds look at iron jaw kennel . Com

[mjohnson]

pilotknob,

Generally speaking..... My dogs would probabaly be a step quicker than PP style dogs, and a step slower than mid-west style AKC. My old male is line bred DFJ through ARHA PPGRRCH Coker's Junction Spud. My best outcross thus far was with a line bred Indian Hills bitch I got off RB as a pup. Picked up the speed and kept all the hunt and grit.

The DFJ hounds are an old line of hounds that were started by hall of famer Ray Slawiak in the late 60's. Ray is still around but no longer breeding. It seems a handful of people have been line breeding off of Ray's hounds. From talking with many houndsmen at Field Tials in NY, VT, and MASS I can only give you some second hand info on how the original DFJ's ran. It seems that my old male runs very similar to the old DFJ dogs, and a few on here have seen him and the old DFJ's run. With that being said my Tucker dog, in his prime (he is now 10), was upper med speed. Excellent snow hound, big nose, endless desire, A1 jumpdog. From what I've heard Tucker ran similar to the Old DFJ stuff.

[Pine Lakes]

What I'm about to tell you is proof that you should go see for yourself. Some of the laziest dogs I've ever seen were Heli-prop bred dogs. What's even funnier to me is the fact that Heli-prop gets all the glory or all the blame. Not one word of the bitch line. Trust me, as I have nothing invested in your search. Go see for yourself and best of luck to you.