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pilotknob wrote:They are saying now that the mother was trying to have him committed,and thats what set him off.He lived in a dark basement and played shooter vidieo kill games.How would any amount of gun control prevent him from going off.If it wasn't a gun he would of went off with a ax,butcher knife or something else.
Ya, about the only thing that woulda worked is the mom being a parent when he was younger.... I guarantee if she woudla blistered his ass as a kid and broke all those video games in front of him when he acted up as a kid he would not be a psycho killer..
I know sometimes there is no way of predicting a way a person will respond to any correction and some people are just pure evil but by-in-large, they are created.
God isn't real, Beer is good and people are crazy, there I fixed it.
There are 35 murders a day in this country and no one says a word. Many of these are young people. Most of them are committed by perfectly sane people. We live, we die and those are the facts. This action is horrible beyond belief but there is little we could do and nothing we can to in the future. What terrifies a lot of people is that feeling of security that has been taken away. Frightened people go out and buy guns and make for a good holiday for the gun salesman.
Disciplining children when they are young, taking away video toys, gun restrictions, praying, etc. will not stop these types of things. Use the 24 hour rule which is mourn however you want for 24 hours and then get on with it. Bad things happen to good people sometimes.
I must admit I was amused today when I went to Gander Mountain to buy some 410 ammo; I could not help but drag my feet selecting the load I wanted to buy as I watched an abnormal amount of people handling "black" weapons (thats the term gun dealers use to describe most any tactical weapon) I must admit the vast majority of the people I saw handling them would make me nervous as hell; they were not sportsman looking types but rather nerdy types that looked like they never hunted a red squirell in their life! The type that wants to play soldier at the shooting range or live fire video gamer
I think the NRA is going to have to wake-up and realize this is a poker hand full of 2's & 3's; as sportsman we are going to have to give some ground in a effort of saving most of our rights. We must face the fact, family sizes are smaller and less and less kids are being brought into the hunting world; hell in my home town they will cancel 3 hunter safety courses each fall due to lack of enrollment; hell when I was a kid I had to travel 35 miles to find a class that wasnt full!
I am not suggesting an outright ban on tactical weapons but the permit process should be far more stringent than buying a remington 870 pump shotgun. Similar to the pistol permit process in New York State where they even go to the school where your children and relatives have attended to see if you have problem children or do you come from a problem family. I dont think Ms. Lanza would have ever gotten her pistols or AR-15 with such restrictions in place; she should have been issued a permit for single shot paint ball gun
PREACHERS KENNEL wrote:let god and respecting people in authority back in our lives and that will fix alot of things. // start the class off with prayer each day ....that can only help .
Pray to whom? jesus, budda, allah, the mormon god they think is jesus etc...??? Thats a terrible idea and an illegal one at that.. If you want your kids to be religious, teach them from home. As a licensed minister I think organized religion should be separate from the state. I would be unbelievable pissed off if my kids were forced to pray to allah and I am sure the muslims in my community would be pissed if they couldn't pray to their God creating more conflict.
These shootings have less to do with prayer and more to do with the fact parents are not willing to discipline their kids.
to JESUS of course , this country was based on being christian and believing in JESUS .. OTHERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO AS THEY WISH I SUPPOSE . people like you , beagler 5000 are the reason this country is in such a mess . there is no separation ,or should not be / pray should start everyones day . the lack of prayer and seeking od and fearing of god is why this country is headed to hell fast . i would revoke your license ...your language is a sign you need prayer as well.
ACTS 2:38=repent,baptised in the name of jesus christ,receive the holy ghost!
How do you teach religion to a mentally ill person? do you really think if you turned that nut job over to the vatican all would have been good? I dont think so
Religion has had their fair share of wack jobs too; Jim Baker & His wife? how about all those priests that violated the young boys and the church tried to hide it for years and years.
God is not the only thing that will prevent you from hurting others! morals and a loving up bringing with plenty of involvment in the family life does the trick; the world doesnt need more latch key nut hatches
PREACHERS KENNEL wrote:let god and respecting people in authority back in our lives and that will fix alot of things. // start the class off with prayer each day ....that can only help .
Pray to whom? jesus, budda, allah, the mormon god they think is jesus etc...??? Thats a terrible idea and an illegal one at that.. If you want your kids to be religious, teach them from home. As a licensed minister I think organized religion should be separate from the state. I would be unbelievable pissed off if my kids were forced to pray to allah and I am sure the muslims in my community would be pissed if they couldn't pray to their God creating more conflict.
These shootings have less to do with prayer and more to do with the fact parents are not willing to discipline their kids.
to JESUS of course , this country was based on being christian and believing in JESUS .. OTHERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO AS THEY WISH I SUPPOSE . people like you , beagler 5000 are the reason this country is in such a mess . there is no separation ,or should not be / pray should start everyones day . the lack of prayer and seeking od and fearing of god is why this country is headed to hell fast . i would revoke your license ...your language is a sign you need prayer as well.
You can have your own beliefs but you cannot have your own set of facts. This country WAS EMPHATICALLY NOT founded on Jesus.. It was founded by people who were BREAKING THE LAW and didn't want to pay taxes to the crown. That my friend, is the American way. I believe in Jesus but I do not believe in government forced Jesus. Next thing you'll wanna arrest people who don't go to church on sundays or who take the Lord's name in vain. this country is about inclusion not exclusion... Someone who is MADE to love the Lord really doesn't love the lord... I suppose we should go back to slavery too because that was part of our past as well right?? How about denying women the right to vote? Or how about legalized prostitution in the western states?
God isn't real, Beer is good and people are crazy, there I fixed it.
over the years how many kids would be alive if the teachers had guns ? ARM THE TEACHERS
That is a terrible idea if you really think about it. Let's say teachers were allowed to carry a weapon. With all the stories in the news these days about some of the things teachers do how long do you think it would be before some crazy teacher started shooting students or co-workers. This tragedy is an outrage but arming school employees is a bad idea.
I agree teachers don't need guns, but it seems to me the conversation should be on school security and precautions as opposed to gun control. All of these events that have happened over the years are always on soft targets with a public or teachers or students that are not really prepared or given any systems or "ways" to protect themselves. The people that do these terrible things are cowards and don't want a fight...they want a slaughter and without proper security thats what they get.
This is why I think some of our leaders are evil. As soon as something like this happens, they focus immediately on taking the guns away and trick people into thinking the problem will be solved... and this solution is erroneous and unacceptable...mainly because it won't work and it is devised to meet the politicians own ends. Why isn't the conversation about security of the targets? We have to face it, however ugly, schools are targets for these psychos. Instead all you hear is gun control...which is a small piece to a bigger issue. You can do as much damage to a unsecure target with a knife as a gun...its just how it is.
Now lets imagine schools were filled with the govt's stacks of precious gold...Would they still keep it in a building with unlocked or weakly locked front glass doors?
tapout wrote:I agree teachers don't need guns, but it seems to me the conversation should be on school security and precautions as opposed to gun control. All of these events that have happened over the years are always on soft targets with a public or teachers or students that are not really prepared or given any systems or "ways" to protect themselves. The people that do these terrible things are cowards and don't want a fight...they want a slaughter and without proper security thats what they get.
This is why I think some of our leaders are evil. As soon as something like this happens, they focus immediately on taking the guns away and trick people into thinking the problem will be solved... and this solution is erroneous and unacceptable...mainly because it won't work and it is devised to meet the politicians own ends. Why isn't the conversation about security of the targets? We have to face it, however ugly, schools are targets for these psychos. Instead all you hear is gun control...which is a small piece to a bigger issue. You can do as much damage to a unsecure target with a knife as a gun...its just how it is.
Now lets imagine schools were filled with the govt's stacks of precious gold...Would they still keep it in a building with unlocked or weakly locked front glass doors?
And who is going to fund that.. we are laying off teacher like crazy and you want security and bullet proof windows... also, how are 6 yr olds ever going to learn to fight off an assult with weapons and do we want 5 year olds learning combat tactics? The school that got shut up was locked down and he blew threw a door/window to get in... That alone probably saved another full classroom from certain death. No way you can retrofit 50,000 schools or more to be bullet proof.
God isn't real, Beer is good and people are crazy, there I fixed it.
How about this thought? In the midst of veterans returning from a war on terriorism from abroad why not get rid of some dead weight Congressional members and use that money to fund these already trained in fighting TERROR! These folks could be used as security forces right here at home this is what I call real homeland security. They could stand guard at all these places where these terriorist exploit such as schools, theaters, malls etc. If we as tax payers are going to foot the bill for homeland security shouldn't we be getting our bang for our buck?
This is why our government is so wrong to me... because they are not honest. If you want schools to be safe from these people it will cost money and security improvements will help with the issue...but maybe people don't want to spend money on that...so be it..that's not what I have an issue with. I have an issue with the fact they are dangling the carrot that outlawing ARs or stricter gun policies will fix the problem...and that is a lie.
I'm not a security expert so I don't know what would make schools safer but I've been in enough schools that I know most have crappy security... but that's not my point.
My point is the converstion isn't at this point being honest with the problem and how to deal with it.
However, I still think we protect what we find/hold most valuable...
That school full of gold is going to be protected..guarantee it... You think not?
It dont matter to me if you arm a select few responsible teachers, hire some police officers, or some private security company but is undeniable that if this school shooter had been confronted at the moment he arrived armed and disturbed, he would not have killed 26 innocent people that day. He possibly would have gotten a few people but would have been shot down before going into the classrooms and making them his own private shoooting gallery. Their was no one their to help the teachers, children, and administrators and as usual, the time it takes for emergency personell to respond when called is too long of a time to save lives. It is not their fault, just a fact. When you are being fired upon, you need help immediately if you are going to minimize damage and loss of human life. Perhaps our nation will learn from this and make a move to protect the schools at all cost. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. Unfortunately, at some time in the future, some idiot will try this again. We dont know who, where or when so all must be prepared to protect our children.I agree with tapout, this country finds a way to protect what we view as valuable. Our president, and many of the important politicians all recieve heavy duty protection with no concern for the cost. I can assure you they are not as important to us as our children and families. We waste too much money on trivial things anyway, so why not put it to good use and make our schools safer.
All I can say is whether you agree or disagree it is a sad time we live in when we have to even consider something like this to ensure our kid's safety while they are in school.
Bunnyblaster
"You can't change the past but you can ruin the present by worrying about the future."
over the years how many kids would be alive if the teachers had guns ? ARM THE TEACHERS
That is a terrible idea if you really think about it. Let's say teachers were allowed to carry a weapon. With all the stories in the news these days about some of the things teachers do how long do you think it would be before some crazy teacher started shooting students or co-workers. This tragedy is an outrage but arming school employees is a bad idea.
I can think of 26 people and their families that wish someone, even the janitor had a gun last Friday. We have armed Marshals on planes and armed security at the Mall, why not in schools. I taught school in Winchester va Each school has a city policeman full time at each school. Dont hear of this happening there. Not saying it cant but I bet it wouldnt be a walk through the park for someone.
PREACHERS KENNEL wrote:let god and respecting people in authority back in our lives and that will fix alot of things. // start the class off with prayer each day ....that can only help .
Pray to whom? jesus, budda, allah, the mormon god they think is jesus etc...??? Thats a terrible idea and an illegal one at that.. If you want your kids to be religious, teach them from home. As a licensed minister I think organized religion should be separate from the state. I would be unbelievable pissed off if my kids were forced to pray to allah and I am sure the muslims in my community would be pissed if they couldn't pray to their God creating more conflict.
These shootings have less to do with prayer and more to do with the fact parents are not willing to discipline their kids.
to JESUS of course , this country was based on being christian and believing in JESUS .. OTHERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO AS THEY WISH I SUPPOSE . people like you , beagler 5000 are the reason this country is in such a mess . there is no separation ,or should not be / pray should start everyones day . the lack of prayer and seeking od and fearing of god is why this country is headed to hell fast . i would revoke your license ...your language is a sign you need prayer as well.
Preacher I totally agree 1000%. We as a Country are Reaping the Seed that was Sown sometime back. Keep turning your back on God and take him out of everything, from home too schools. I think its evidence how thats working out for us.
When the moment of truth arrives, the point of preparation has passed.
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