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[RunninHard]

Good post Dog

PS..... A lot of people on this site NEVER agree on anything, I refer it as the "You're Wrong" board .....

[See low]

guys,,, no one has used the words " YOUR WRONG " this is a discussion board,, its nice to hear other hunters opinions.. its just hard for me to understand why a man wouldnt want to better himself...no one is using coal oil lanterns anymore every body has got electricity..Why did they change? i believe it was to better themselves...... dog stated that he wouldnt consider trying to trade, maybe i shouldve ask would he have liked to have traded dogs... but he did call rabbit hunting a hobby and i guess it is,, but its also considered a sport. or having a rabbit race.. which means COMPETITION...in my neck of the woods we go to win.... PS..... Dog If i ever get the chance to run with you.. if my male comes across with the rabbit track in front and takes it on in style.. i'll probably thnrow my hat and yell " GO ON BOY ' cuz thats how i role.... and Dog if you want to trade for him its ok to ask cuz anything i got is for trade .............. happy hunting to everyone...

[dog]

yes it is a sport , i consider it one anyway , and yes it is a race , between the rabbit and the dog , not between dogs , man made it a competition between dogs , i too cannot understand why someone wouldnt want to better thenselves , but only with things that are important , and to me one of those things are not condeming someone else for liking something i dont or possibly insulting them by a coment i make , there are far more important things in life than rabbit dogs to some , to some , not so much , i love to run them dogs but i try not to let it clowd my judgement

[See low]

I to believe that that are alot more important things in life... rabbit huntin is way down on my list as far as overall importance, however my Daddy taught me long ago.. anything that you do,,, give it 100 percent... that way,,,win ,, loose,, or draw you can always say you gave it your best and if im gonna hunt im gonna try to get and keep the very best that i can... i thought that was why we put countless hours in these pups and dogs... just hoping that we have the next big thing....

[See low]

and by the way Dog please dont take this negative ,, because that is not the intent but,,, how do you determane when youve had a good hunnt or a bad one,, and how do you determane wich dogs to keep or sale ,,,, you have to have some kind of idea of what your dog has to measure up to??????.......

[likeemfast]

fasttrackpa, ..........Your right PA is not that big, would like to get together , i start running again toward the end of august, only go out here and there thru the summer. When the kids are off school its fishing, swimming, amusement parks and such, but will definitely keep you in mind.

[augerhead]

Sample size.Seems it would be hard to make some of the statements that are made on here if you havn't owned a few.

dont look to me like you only ask this question to see if some people had the same sickness as you , looks like you ask this question as a way to say " if you havent owned a mess of dog then you dont know what your talking about " thats what i read from it ! as for the gun statement , i took it exactly like it read also ! i see it all the time , out to impress , high dollar guns , high dollar dogs , dog boxes , trucks , high dollar electronics , trucks clothing , none of that stuff runs a rabbit ! some of us down to earth people still take this rabbit hunting stuff for what it should be , an enjoyable hobby , not a competition !

Dog, Way out of context read all the posts, I don't know how to word it any different, let me try one more time.Your views on your dogs,guns ect are yours and nobody is trying to insult any body. You don't know me at all, I'm just a plain old hillbilly, not wealthy common as dirt. Enjoying a hound how ever we choose to do it is up to the owner. Some people simply like them for pets, no problem. You have to start to read this stuff with a little bit of an open mind, don't look at everything that is said as a evil way for someone to degrade someone else its not.You your self say alot in your posts you don't care, you don't compete, you just want to kill the rabbit. Some of the people that are debating do care do want to compete do want to own the best have been thru alot of dogs trying to get there. I guess I don't understand why you would want to reply to these posts when you don't care about whats being talked about. Running dogs to me is more than a hobby for sure, it's pretty much a way of life. My family and alot is more important, don't get me wrong but I have a passion for beagles.I've stated on this very thread that not saying you have to own a bunch before you know what one is, you must have overlooked.Let me try one more example then I quit. I golf, not much I just do it for a little fun. I don't really care if I win sometime I don't keep score. My clubs look like they all came from garage sales. If I slice the ball or dubb it oh well, I have fun most of the time.Other people take it very serious they do it daily they have a passion to be the best they love the game. To them its something totally different, we both golf but for different reasons.So why would I try to tell them about there slicing problem, I would not, I don't care about ther slicing problem,BUT THEY DO. Some time on this board I think this very thing happens we are all beaglers but with totally different goals, some just a hobby and to some its a lot more.Sample size is not intended to make anybody look novice just to see what you have seen. I garuntee that most of the people that have been thru a bunch of dogs like myself have pretty much the same sickness. They are looking for at hound with something special, I am not saying that makes them smarter in any way.
Dog you and I are beaglers, but its different for both of us. Heck totally different. And by the way I never said you were wrong.

[gun runner]

i see both side of the picture,Me and toby run are dogs together all the time.I think we work more like a team to tell each other were the faults are and what we like about them.Would i trade my dogs,maybe but it would have to be a really good one.Do i want the best,yes i think everybody want to be the best in life that they can be,I look at dogs the same way,love to hear when a bunch of people start talking about hunting and then hear them talk about how good your dogs are.Makes me feel good.i do put alot of time in on my hounds hot days cold days rain days i stay at it.Do i put put in front of my faimly no way they come frist but running dogs is the next thing on my the list for me.It is my get away from life hobby you for get about work,money,bils and more bills,you think about what the dogs are doing and what can make them better or so on.I feel every body as there own goals they set in life some just set theres higher then others.If i could meet some of you and run with you might even set mine higher,but there is not alot of people that run dogs around my way,so that is way iam going to try trialing and what i have seen so far did not impress me at all.But only been to one and seen about 30 dogs not saying they were no good there were some good dogs dont get me wrong,but i would not have traded any of my dogs for what i have seen so far.

[dog]

and by the way Dog please dont take this negative ,, because that is not the intent but,,, how do you determane when youve had a good hunnt or a bad one,, and how do you determane wich dogs to keep or sale ,,,, you have to have some kind of idea of what your dog has to measure up to??????.......

not taking it as a negative at all , i honestly dont know how to answer either question but ill give it an honest try , first off i am way past the have to kill something stage , that being said , any hunt is a good hunt to me , if im able to get outside , breath some fresh country air , get some good exercise , spend some quality time with good friends and family or enjoy peace and quiet by myself , watch and listen to dogs that try as hard as they can to please me , watch wildlife , even if its not what im after , i enjoy it all , some of my most memorable hunts were ones that i didnt even carry a gun and nothing was harvested , some of them were hunts that we killed everything that was ran , wether that was 1 or 10 . i have great hunts where we never jumped a rabbit , never got a wimper out of the dogs .in all my years i can only remember a couple that i would call bad hunts , one was when we lost a young dog of a buddies , that dog was gone for 43 days and turned wild enough we had to catch him in a live trap , another was when one of mine was bit by a copperhead ! most days my dogs do a great job , there has been days that i scratch my head and wonder what the heck they were thinking but i dont let that ruin my day in the field , theres more to it than that . as for how i determain what dog to keep and what dog to move , i cant honestly answer that one , i sold a reg. female one time for $100 that would run the crap out of a rabbit , good line control , great nose , honest mouth , wouldnt look twice at anything but a rabbit , handled great , great kennel manners and a good looking big full 15 inch dog just because i didnt like her , and still to this day i cant tell you for sure what i didnt like about her , just didnt ! if i like them they stay , if i dont they go , the best dog i ever owned i sold for $100 at 3 because he didnt like to run with more than 2 dogs , i only had 2 other dogs but i run with a buddy alot so he was gone and this dog done everything right , as close to great as i have ever had . i know what style dog i like , sending a 10 month old male back to my buddy who breed him this weekend that is doing a fine job really like the way he does things , i believe he is going to be a really good dog , because he is a mess in the kennel , walks in his crap and strings it all over the kennel , have to hose his out everyday and im tired of it so he is gone ! no set standard for me , when i like them they stay , when i dont they go ! sometimes i can even tell you what i dont like about them ! sometimes i cant !

[dog]

Not trying to degrade anyones opinion or preference, I'm just saying some of the issues we debate on here seem crazy, statements are made that don't make sence to me at all. Maybe those statements that are way off are just because of the sample size of dogs you have owned.

augerhead , i dont want you to take anything i say personal because its not , i am only stating facts , i went back and read this entire topic and a can still only read it one way , for you to say "maybe those statements that are WAY OFF are just because of the sample size of dogs you have owned " is just a round about way of saying you are wrong ! i have read it a hundred times and it is what it is ! just because someone didnt say it in those exact words dont mean that wasnt what was implied , its just a simple twist of words that allows one to back pedal ! like i said , dont take it personal because i sure dont , in a way i am kinda in the same boat as you , i cant understand for the life of me why someone would go through countless dogs , some good , trying to find that perfect one that probably dont even exsist and pass up quality time enjoying something they like to do while looking for it ! but just because i dont understand it doesnt mean its wrong . if thats what they want to do and they give it their all and do it honestly then i wish them the best of luck , even if i dont know them from Adam!

[augerhead]

Dog, I think its about the journey I love to raise,buy and fool with beagles especially young dog.No not saying you are wrong there is no right or wrong with what someone enjoys. You can pull one sentence out of any post and make it look different,
"way off" was meant to mean from what I have seen or like not a fact. But I am tired of debating this sample size crap, bottom line I enjoy trying to have and keep the best I can find. The rabbit dog for me is a quest, a challenge, I love to compete and expect my dogs to,I have no patience for an average back packer, I don't want to settle for a faulty dog. Maybe dog I am the one that's wrong, but I love it and will continue as long as I can. Good Running!!!!

[dog]

Still dont get it nobody is wrong ! i dont consider average dogs ' faulty " and if you have a pack of average dogs then how are they backpackers ,their only backpackers if there is one of them mysterious superdogs in it ! that one sentence says it all , you can claim what you like but we all know where you stand ! and i dont think any less of you for it , too each their own !

[augerhead]

Backpacker is a term for a dog that is content to run in the pack not challenge for the front.Didn't say average was faulty.

you can claim what you like but we all know where you stand ! and i dont think any less of you for it , too each their own !

Dog don't know what you mean by this??

[augerhead]

Dog here is the statement you qouated in your pevious post, sounds a little different than the way you to me than the way you took it...................... Not trying to degrade anyones opinion or preference, I'm just saying some of the issues we debate on here seem crazy, statements are made that don't make sence to me at all. Maybe those statements that are way off are just because of the sample size of dogs you have owned.I guess I a man has never owned a dog with a real good nose that didn't bark off or cold trail then it might be hard for him to understand that they are out there. JMO[/quote]

This started from another post, extra barking on a rabbit track, we were talking and some statements that were made seemed crazy to ME. So I was thinking to myself how can people see things so differently, I thought it was reasonable to think that the amount of dogs they have owned could influence what they have seen.

[BLACKBART]

AUGER HEAD, I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF DOGS YOU HAVE OWNED.IT DOES INFLUENCE AND EDUACATE YOU ON WHAT A DOG IS CAPABLE OF DOING. WITHOUT A STANDARD TO GO BY HOW DO YOU JUDGE YOUR DOG OR THE OTHER MAN'S, OR HOW DO YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO BUY OR KEEP A DOG. I SAY A LOT OF TIMES THE LESS YOU KNOW THE HAPPIER YOU ARE, BUT IF YOU ARE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WILL TRY TO ALWAYS IMPROVE.
IF YOU ARE SATISFIED I SAY ENJOY, IF NOT THEN MOVE UP IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
REMEMBER THIS IS A SPORT AND NOT ALL OF US CAN BE LEBRON JAMES, BUT SOME WOULD LIKE TO BE.
I THINK YOU CAN SUM THIS ALL UP WITH AND OLD SAYING
IN THE LAND OF THE BLIND THE ONE EYED MAN IS KING.
SO I SAY DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING POSTED AS IF IT'S POSTED DIRECTLY TO YOU.
I PERSONALLY HAVE OWNED I WOULD SAY OVER 1000 DOGS IN MY LIFE, SO IF YOU SEE ME HUNTING A BAD DOG, KNOW THAT THE OLD SAYING, EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST
TEACHER DID NOT WORK FOR ME.
BE WILLING AS I DO TO LAUGH AT YOUR OWN IGNORANCE. HAD TO CALL MY NEPHEW TO COME AND FEED AND WATER MY DOGS TO NITE, NOT ABLE TO DO IT MYSELF, YET CAN'T KEEP FROM THINKING ABOUT GOING AND TRYING TO BY ANOTHER DOG TOMORROW. STUPID TO SOME I GUESS BUT TO ME IT IS A DESIRE TO OWN THE BETTER DOG.
COMPETETIVE ? I GUESS
WHEN HUNTING LOOSES ITS ABILITY TO GIVE ME AND ADRENALINE RUSH THEN I GUESS I'LL QUIT.