Breeding out the hunt

[RHYRE]

I have been around beagles my whole life. Growing up I never heard my father or any of his hunting buddies ever mention "papers" or bloodlines. They had hounds that wouldn't quit. I have owned several dogs with papers and several without and I have to say 4 out of the top 5 were "grade". Actually the best dog in my kennel at this time does not have papers. I have two regestered dogs from different bloodlines that have big named dogs close in their pedigree and they lack hunt. Once the rabbit is up they run a great line and work the track right but they don't have that grit. Do you guys think some of these registries are breading the hunt out of these dogs.

[fasttrackpa]

Men are breeding the hunt out of some hounds. Not all of them

[Dave Swiger]

I got into a big debate on another board about "brood gyps" Why in the wide world of sports would you breed a dog that cant or wont run a rabbit. When most people look for a stud they look for a rabbit machine, what ever that means to them. A lot breed a so/so gyp trying to get better in the pups. Reggie is the best example right now. A lot of reggie dogs cant be bought, but there are tons for sale. I breed rabbit dogs to rabbit dogs to get rabbit dogs. To answer your question yes... you can breed the hunt out.

Dave

[pineridgebeagles]

When I breed,which is not often I breed for hunt. I can put up with alot when it comes to running style,speed(not slow) can be loose on checks, a little loose mouth in check area,no trash or cold trial,but he better hunt,jump rabbits or they wont stay. Al

[Casey Harner]

I got into a big debate on another board about "brood gyps" Why in the wide world of sports would you breed a dog that cant or wont run a rabbit.

Dave

+1

[deerhost]

What are the big named dogs on the paper? I agree with what is said, people buy a crappy female that can't run a rabbit to save her life just to be able to breed to a big name FC and they think they will get great dogs. Then someone like you comes along (no disrespect intended) and buys a pup with papers and the pups turn out just so-so and thinks papered dogs with titles are junk. How many times on this board do you see someone selling pups out of Shooter, reggie, tyke and so on and on the for sale ad they tote the dam as being there best jump dog. Then weeks later when the pups are sold you see the dam of the pups up for sale. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that. I've seen pups for sale on this board and when I contacted the seller I was told the sire is a 14 months old and the dam is being bred on her first heat cycle. I think personally if you are not familiar with the dogs on paper then you should watch them run. Or there offspring or other dogs from that line. Or know the person who is doing the breeding. Me personally I've learned to breed my own. If and when I do buy pups outside what I breed, then I make sure and buy from a reputable person who I know or at least is known for keeping top shelf dogs that HUNT! I don't buy pups from anyone I don't know unless both the sire and dam are finished and I have watched offspring of theres run at a trial or while hunting. Or if the dog is not finished then I need to see the dog run. It is hard enough getting good pups from two outstanding parents, what are the chances of getting good pups from one good sire and a dud female. I am not by any means a big trialer. I go to a few trials a year and mostly to be able to watch the off spring off of these big named hounds. Some I don't like but some I do but at least I have watched them run before making a decision....Sorry for rambling on.....Just my opinion.....Deerhost