Where does it come from

[beagleman24093]

Just a little deep thought as to where the traits in our little hounds really come from. It's been raining all day so i took a little time to pedigree search some of my dogs way back.If you look into most of our lines of dogs, you find alot of the lines today go back to the same dogs .I often wonder if some of the traits we see in our dogs are coming from the current studs or from the influence of a dog back ten or more generations .I have two female here that show fourteen or fifteen crosses of Northway Spur,,,,,, Well while putting that much spur blood in them you are also putting that much more blood of the dogs that made spur also.So just where do all the traits really come from.
Maybe some of the older breeders on here can shed some light as to just how far back you see traits from the old dogs show up.

[S.R.Patch]

I got a pup here now I'm calling Peaches, she is the spiting image of look and action of her great-great aunt Sugar Ridge Patch Peaches.
The most direct line has the most influence over the puppies and that's percentages...

[Newt]

It comes from the dogs selected by breeders of hounds between Spur and your hound. There were probably hundreds of dogs coming from the same line that were discarded from breeding stock because they didn't exhibit those characteristics.

[mobeagle]

Just a little deep thought as to where the traits in our little hounds really come from. It's been raining all day so i took a little time to pedigree search some of my dogs way back.If you look into most of our lines of dogs, you find alot of the lines today go back to the same dogs .I often wonder if some of the traits we see in our dogs are coming from the current studs or from the influence of a dog back ten or more generations .I have two female here that show fourteen or fifteen crosses of Northway Spur,,,,,, Well while putting that much spur blood in them you are also putting that much more blood of the dogs that made spur also.So just where do all the traits really come from.
Maybe some of the older breeders on here can shed some light as to just how far back you see traits from the old dogs show up.

That is how its done. 15 crosses of the same line. If you like what you have you need to stick to it. All to often people will have a bad litter and look for some type of major outcross and they're just screwing up what the people before them worked so hard to make. Heres a very good read on breeding.


http://www.westwindgsps.com/linebreeding.htm

Inbreeding significantly increases homozygosity, and therefore uniformity within a litter. One of the best methods of evaluating how successful a linebreeding has been is to gauge the similarity of the littermates as compared with pups of other litters with similar pedigrees. Considerable similarity among littermates tells the Breeder the genes have "nicked" or paired together as anticipated. The resulting pups will likely be able to pass these genes to the next generation.

Undesirable recessive genes are always masked by a dominant gene. Through inbreeding a rare recessive gene can be passed from a common ancestor on both the sire and the dame's side creating a homozygous recessive offspring. The resulting offspring actually displays the trait neither of their parents displayed ( even though both of them carried it ). Understand that inbreeding does not create undesirable genes it simply increases the chance that traits which are already present in a heterozygous state within the breed will be displayed.

Too many Breeders outcross as soon as an undesirable trait appears, blaming the problem on breeding "too close." Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact out-crossing insures that the undesirable trait will be carried generation after generation in a heterozygous recessive state only to rear its ugly head again and again. Therefore the Breeder who turns away from breeding “close” is simply passing a known problem on to succeeding generations and future Breeders.

When an undesirable trait is "unmasked" the Breeder who does his breed a real service is the one that stays with his line long enough to rid it of the undesirable trait. By controlling which specimens within their line are used for breeding in succeeding generations this Breeder can eliminate the undesirable trait. Once the recessive gene is removed it can never again affect the Breeder's line. Inbreeding doesn't cause good genes to mutate into bad genes it merely increases the likelihood that they will be displayed.

The Inbreeding Coefficient (or Wrights coefficient) is an estimate of the percentage of all variable genes that are homozygous due to inheritance from common ancestors. It is also the average chance that any single gene pair is homozygous due to inheritance from a common ancestor. Our pedigrees display the Inbreeding Coefficient for each dog in the first 4 generations of a specific dog's ancestry. Each Inbreeding Coefficient is calculated from that dog's 10 generation pedigree.

NOTE: Inbreeding does not cause good genes to somehow mutate - it only increases the likelihood that existing genes will be displayed - allowing the Breeder the chance to eliminate what had previously been unseen in their particular line although it was always present.