Well only one pup went to a trialing home so that was the only one that had the opportunity to champion .
Some people breed thier hounds for years before producing a champion even when they go to trialing homes .
But all the pups from that litter that I know of made thier owners very happy , so there's your 100% once
again . It was the only litter that's over one year old too . When the next litter comes of age I wouldn't
have any reason expect any less than 100% satisfaction . The ammount of champions should depend on
the number trialed ... Example : 4 hounds trialed and 4 CHAMPIONS
BTW: The pups had one cross of Lesage Bill Patch . How many champions have your Patch dogs produced ?
Not offence meant , just asking . If they all went to hunting or pet home I understand . My male come from
a sire that made his name out of breeding over a couple of Reffett's bred females . I could type for a good
while on it but I'll just copy & paste .
LPRCH/BCH Lesage Bill Patch was he a producer ?
A few of the hounds I'm familiar with and some of the reasons I love Lesage Bill Patch so well are his outcrosses . To my knowledge Bill was outcrossed twice on Northway females . During one of those breedings Bill produced GRCH Roll On Buddy owned by Mr.John Smith . During the second breeding he produced my Butterscotch male ( I'm NO trialer although I think trials are great for the beagle breed as long as we keep them in the right prospective ) I have went through several nice males (some "Pure" Patch some not) some selling as high as around the $1500.00 although that contained Turbo & Branko bloodlines and yes the owners have been well pleased or have not complained . I currently ONLY own one adult male Shyann JUDE'S Butterscotch (named after my lil sister because she is the "co-owner") Butterscotch has been for years and will remain to be my measuring stick as long as we're both able and alive or I can find a better all around rabbit hound that can do it all to my liking . During the second breeding Bill also produced LPRCH Tan Man whom I sold to a gentleman I have the upmost respect for , when Tan Man was around 16 mos of age , he CHAMPIONED Tan Man in 6 hunts and to my understanding he recieved a offer he could not refuse . I have not been able to track down any more hounds from Bills second outcross but I'd love to own a female if one was out there call me 1-606-395-9898 if you have one .
Can LPRCH/BCH Lesage Bill Patch offspring reproduce ?
My Butterscotch male currently has one 2 year old litter on the ground . The only one that went to a trialing home made LPRCH at around 17 mos of age and currently has 3 wins in the Champion class . I have gotten good reports on the one that went to a hunting home and the ones that went to pet homes as well . Does this mean that Butterscotch is going to be a producer ? Hard to say , he only gets bred by myself to my personal females at this time but 100% is a good percentage . Butterscotch has been laid up all summer (rattlers) and most of last winter (my fault) but when I take him out again I expect Extreme Hard Hunt , rabbits to be jumped , speed to spare and a correct mouth I don't expect him to be perfect due to his laying up but he's never been the high maintenance type .
LPRCH Tan Man - As I know of he's never been bred and went to a non trialer when he was sold but I would breed to him in a heartbeat if I didn't have Butterscotch .
GRCH Roll On Buddy - Last but certianly not least Buddy is much older than Butter or LPRCH Tan Man . Buddy has probably produced as many Champion hounds per breeding percentage as most any hound out there . I started to name as many of them as I could but I knew I couldn't do them all justice . If Mike Crabtrees web site was working it would have helped . Here's a few anyway - GRCH CAUDILL'S CRANKIN CORVETTE , LPRCH CINNAMON RUN HUNTER , LPRCH CINNAMON RUN HOT CANDY , LPRCH LEE'S TNT MAX , LPRCH CRAZY HORSE , LPRCH SMITHS HUSSLIN BERTHA , GRCH JT'S BEEFHIDE BEN , LPRCH BEEFHIDE CREEK JR ... These are the ones that I can look up and I'd guess there's more . In fact I'm guessing there's some CHAMPION Grandpups out of Buddy as well . I'm sure there's several on the board that can tell us more .
Now I'm not downing anyone elses hounds and I've owned or watched them from all over and several different Patch lines , (No need to down anyones hounds or thier name needlessly) . I hope this post doesn't start a war and I hope no one slings any rocks my way . PLEASE I hate a rock fight !!! If I got any names incorrect I appologize and I appologize to all the owners of Champion hounds that desend from Lesage Bill that I left out .
I'm not disputing ANYONES word !!! These are just my experiences and believe me , I strive for the perfect beagle ...
Here's some help I got from Mike Crabtree on the numbers with Buddy ... I'd say he would be the first to tell you Buddy's a true stud dog . When the numbers are added I'd say he outproduced most others .
mike crabtree wrote:Buddy crossed on Honey twice. 3 pups out of the 1st litter. I culled 1 Hunter and Boomer championed with Hunter needing 1 win to Grand that He should get anytime.
The second cross produced Champions Pee Wee, Max , Shame, and Grand Candy. 2 more out there are decent dog. Hope this helps.
Buddy crossed on Bee is showing some real promise also. If you have a nice one, Buddy is throwing nice pups. Get it while you can, he aint no spring chicken.
this is cruzor sire is buckeye ninja blue boy the dam is reffett"s ky mtn chelsea.
... Nice hounds WV & Kieth .
. Lee and I have several nice ladies at his kennel that Magic has
