Dual champ pup prices - your opinions

Post by **Bev** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:54 am

Eddie is a Jack Russell Terrier. He's one of the few with enough attention span and control to train for TV. Jack Russells are a hot ticket right now - they are in commercials everywhere. Folks will run out and buy these popular dogs like Jack Russells without checking out their energy levels, temperments etc., and the wonder later why their draperies have been reduced to fringe, no shoe goes unchewed, and the carpet looks like giraffe hide. They have this vision in their minds of Eddie lying on his back in the recliner and it just ain't so! Wonder if those people who went out and bought Chihuahuas when Taco Bell used them in their commercials are still happy with their dogs, lol!?

KentuckyHunterGirl · Post by **KentuckyHunterGirl** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:50 pm

I dont really know much about prices....but.... we sold a 6 week old female beagle pup for $250.00 just recently

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:45 pm

In my opinion, well bred hunting beagle pups are WAY underpriced, especially pups like you are talking about that are hunt and show bred.
If a breeder does a good job with socializing the pups, and giving them all their shots, wormings, etc. he has more than $150 invested, especially counting his time (even at minimum wage). Why shouldn't he expect to be compensated for his hard work and effort? Also keep in mind that this pup will likely give you 10-12 maybe even more years of many great memories. I have a grade bitch who is 14 years old now, and still runs with the best of my young dogs, retrieves rabbits, and would have easily made dual grand had she been campaigned when in her prime. I paid only $25 for her as a pup, but I wouldn't hesitate to spend $1000 for another one like her today. I have bought many, many beagle pups in the 100-200 range, and have had to go through 15-20 of these pups to find 1 that I like. I would much rather pay $600 for one out of a proven cross, than to spend $3000 and lots of time to find a good one! But, to each his own I guess.... Jake Teter

Air Force Ken · Post by **Air Force Ken** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:05 pm

Bsbowhunter

I understand what you are going through with the show/hunting puppy. I have seen a lot of very nice dogs in the UKC format, many of them come from Whiteriver but the fact that I am limited to the UKC/ARHA/PKC registries with the pups is what keeps me away from them. Most AKC show breeders that I have contacted offer the same limited registration that you speak of but there are some out there who will sell to hunter/field trailer. It's a hard find but they are out there. If you want conformation/hunting ability with "AKC" registration you may want to look into lines like Woodpont, Bedlam, Glennbarr etc etc. Woodpont has produced a UKC Grand Show Champion and Hunting Champion and you are covered with a full AKC registration. His dogs are medium fast to fast and can burn a rabbit up. Jason Washington from "Jason's beagles" can tell you more about that line if you are interested, he has a website.

Bedlam and Glennbarr lines are mainly conformation bred formal pack style dogs that hunt and Bedlam in particular are in the back of many hunting pedigrees, the Gay line in has a lot of Bedlam crossed in it. I am sure that there are many more bloodlines out there like those i mentioned but I am most familiar with those three.

People always say papers do not run the rabbit and thats very true but not having those AKC papers will limit in certain ways. If you are established or just a hunter that may not matter, but in my case I am just starting out and I do not want to start out limited to a certain registry or format. 600 bucks for a pup may be cheap to others and too expensive for the majority, but in the end you alone have to be happy with what you buy.

Good luck

Ken

Slaux · Post by **Slaux** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:36 am

How much you pay for a hound won't make it any good or better. However, having said this, the price you pay for a pup is minimal compared to what you will have invested into it during the course of its lifetime. The most important thing is to buy a pup out of lines that suit your needs. Personally, as a backyard breeder, I sell my pups for $200. At this price I may break even on a litter, "Maybe". There are alot of costs involved, Brucellosis testing, around here about $50, driving or shipping your bitch to the stud, the stud fee, numerous vaccinations, wormers, feed, and the always unexpected emergency run to the vet, heating plates, electricity used, high priced food and supplements mama gets during this time, not to mention registering the litter which is getting pricey. I like to keep the prices down to enable everyone to enjoy our great sport, however $250 or $300 is probably a realistic amount to pay for a well bred, well taken care of puppy.

beaglebill · Post by **beaglebill** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:03 am

I think Eddie is a Jack Russel Terrier. While runnin my dogs the other day i run into a guy that was gettin one to go in a hole with a groundhog. This dog was a huntin devil....didnt seem cute and cuddly.lol..

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:57 am

I think the price paid for any dog is contengent upon it's owners expectations. I'm a rabbit hunter and expect my dogs to run rabbits the way I like to see it done. My wife is a pet owner and doesn't really expect anything but love from the registered dogs she has in the house. If my dogs don't run rabbits the way or style I like they are NOT worth a plug nickle to me and as a matter of fact they cost me money but my wifes dogs will always give the love asking for very little in return. ( Yeah right they cost the same amount of money to feed and care for). With that being said purchasing any dog with great expectations is just like life, there are no guarantees. You can purchase a pup from the top sire and dam in the world and not get a pup that meets your expectations for what your intentions are but that very same pup may meet the expectations of a pet owner or someone else with a different expectation of the dog. Am I willing to GAMBLE $600.00 for a just weaned top bred rabbit dog with NO guarantee that it will even run a rabbit period, let alone to my liking...NO WAY...Is someone else willing to GAMBLE $600.00 for that very same dog as a house pet expecting it to provide love and affection for a couple small children or a companion for an elderly person..YOU BET...

VABEAGLER · Post by **VABEAGLER** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:04 pm

I would consider carefully before spending that much on a pup! Yes the breeding is good but there is alot of other lines out there that are equally as good. Anything over $250 for an unproven pup that is not much more than weaned is a big risk. You have to consider that each pup is an individual and not all will make even average hunting dogs no matter the lineage.

What will you do after investing all this money into this pup and it turns out to have serious running faults, Runs trash badly, or even ends up with serious health problems. Better yet what if it sarts running but is just not a very good hound. What will you be able to sell it for? ($150-$250 maybe if ayone else likes the breeding as well as you)

There are many yound started dogs that are bred nicely all over this site and others that are for sale for much less so i guess it all depends on what you really want.

All i can say is i wish you luck and i hope it turns out the best for you. That's alot of money and it may be better invested in an already proven dog.

Good luck.

Brian

bunnie harvester · Post by **bunnie harvester** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:19 pm

My daughter has a older friend that shows and breeds Boxers, she just had a man 45-50, offer her $2500.00 for a female pup, she refused the man, he came back with a counter of of $2500.00 and she could use the female for the first 3 breedings and she can register the pup under her kennel name

what a wakko

, A foul and his money is soon parted....................

jason_beagles · Post by **jason_beagles** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:25 pm

Bsbowhunter

Get in contact with me if you have not already brought the $600 pup. I might be able to set you up next spring or summer with a conformation pup for $200 with AKC papers. Also you can see my hounds run. I am in Baltimore, Maryland.

My contact info is home 410-485-0884, cell 410-905-1683, email jason_beagles@hotmail.com

Here are some of the links to my hounds. The pictures don't show how nice they are, but you can get the idea. I will be taking more pictures.

http://jason_beagles.tripod.com/jasonsblackmarksman.htm
http://jason_beagles.tripod.com/woodpontmistereclue.htm
http://jason_beagles.tripod.com/jasonscrybaby.htm
http://jason_beagles.tripod.com/jasonsblackpearl.htm - dam is littermate to UKC European Ruby Royal

There are more, but I don't have them listed yet.

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:49 am

Iguess I'm one of the few left that believe rabbit hunting is the "poor boy's sport".

500-and up for a puppy is way too much.....for me. If someone else feels comfortable with that, then that's their business. Me myself, I'd never pay that much for an unstarted, unproven hound, no matter where it came from or what it came from. To each his own I guess. 200-250 is max for a pup for me, one that could possibly turn out to be a cull...thats a chance you take with pups.

I also gotta ask, why do you want to buy a pup from show breeding lines? I understand that if you are showing dogs with no interest in gunning over them but if the hound is being bought for a gundog, why not pick a pup from a reputable breeder who has based his/her kennels on lineage's of hounds that have proven their ability in the field for generations? Correct conformation dont just appear in show dogs. There's many, many generations of fine gundogs out there that has conformation equal to anything, built well enough to run all day and night with the proper structure to do so. It seems to me that crossing in show lines could be a real gamble as to the pup's field abilities. Maybe I'm wrong, but I myself would rather start out with a proven family of gundogs to pick a pup from. To each their own I guess!

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:08 am

We sell pups for 600.00 quite often we have both show and field breeding it depends on your area for one thing the law of supply and demand other considerations are what the breeder puts into his pups ours are raised on eukanuba dog food with cooked chicken handled and socialized daily kennel cough vac and all other shots due claws removed etc.

Lefgren-Lane · Post by **Lefgren-Lane** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:59 pm

There have been 2 AKC Dual Champions since WWII. That's almost 60 years!!! The hard part of the equation besides learning how to play both games is finishing the FC. About 1 out every 200 enteries in field trials will finsih thier FC in a given year, about 1 in 10 enteries in the showring will finish to a Ch. Be careful when adding "show" breeding in your program. There are some hounds with very very poor conformation earning titles in the ring. (30 plus years of showring experience) Good conformation (conformation according to the breed standard) can be found among the hounds at many field trials. In most cases better or at least more useful and more in adherence to the standard than you can find at many shows. Just a Ch in front of a hounds name is not an automatic for correct conformation. A buyer must evaluate correct conformation just as they would evaluate field ability for every hound they purchase. The more you know and the better you know your OWN goals, primary use for the hound, etc. the more satified you will be with the outcome.

DG TX · Post by **DG TX** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:19 pm

To each his own

In the late 60's, George Nixon turned down $35,000 for FC Pearson Creek Carson

PLATEAUBEAGLER · Post by **PLATEAUBEAGLER** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:33 am

Let me put it to you this way. A pup is worth as much as a man is willing to pay.If the bloodline, hunt, line control,and brains are what i wanted or just a show dog, i would pay what ever it took to get it, if it was what i was looking for.But let me state again it would have to be what i was looking for and have the back ground to prove it.

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