The Best producing male

Jesse Duncan · Post by **Jesse Duncan** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:41 pm

Good point coyote hunter,
I'm not on here saying who is the best producer, alls I'm saying is if you have a good line thats just half of it. The other half of the hound is how much time you put with it and what you make it. Just my two cents Jesse Duncan

ALswamper · Post by **ALswamper** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:19 am

Impossible question to answer. The answer to that question will never be known. Just like what you run and watch out for the Short's Pro boys.

liquidcooled · Post by **liquidcooled** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:02 am

FTCH MoneySunk Mountain Man would be up there with some of the greats for me.

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:07 am

I will give you your boost Terry I will agree with you on this one lol.

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:09 pm

Best producer ever: IFC Maravic's Blue Ninja, Ninja bred 40 bitches and produced almost 50 FC's.

Now everybody can say that it was Jack that made Ninja the producer he was but Ninja's pedigree is full of producers and he too along with his sister Mimi produced very well.

NSB · Post by **NSB** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:31 pm

To kanesirish; jack was no Great Big Woody but i am sure he had some effect on ninja's reproducing ability.

Brian from Mi. · Post by **Brian from Mi.** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:32 pm

[quote="SMITTY1233"]Not to be a smart A@# here but who made Trimmer a producer then?[/quote]

I just think your smart.The goal when breeding is to keep striving for better dogs.It is evident someone new what they doing when they bred to Trimmer to get Jack. Brian from Mi.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:29 pm

If we are striving to produce better dogs and are producing better dogs than the past why would you want to go to the past to improve what you have.
There ought to be something better with some past in it that is still alive.

Slaux · Post by **Slaux** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:04 pm

This is a good topic. I'll chime in. I have to agree with Rob, Maravic's Blue Ninja is right up there near the Top. It would have been interesting to see just how great he would have been had he not died so young. His daddy Trades was an awesome producer also. Trades was a very prepotent stud, who in turn produced many excellent hounds that went on to produce in succesive generations themselves, more than any other hound I've known, with the exception of the all time great IFC Mt. Zion Pete.

As far as living studs, if you live anywhere near IFC MJR Mitsou Argentevil Striker (not sure if spellings right) and you don't breed to him you are a fool. Despite the bad reputation his owner has and some bad reports on how Striker was as an individual, the fact is, the dog is just a producer, period.

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:20 pm

Slaux: you really can't deny Striker's record as a producer. But I still remember watching the dog run and though he lives a half hour up the road I'll use the males in my kennel. It really is too bad about Ninja, and it seems no Ninja males have been able to step up and have his producing power. But Ninja bitches have been able to produce some really nice hounds.

NSB: Dan, I was hoping you would forget about Great Big Woody

liquidcooled · Post by **liquidcooled** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:37 pm

Trimmer's great,great grand pappy was IFC Mt Zoin Pete Matter of fact I do believe he's behind alot of the greats. So in my eyes there aint nothing wrong with breeding to the past. I like to be able to put todays greats down with yesterdays greats and see how they measure up to them, betcha it would be interesting.

blitzen · Post by **blitzen** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:48 pm

Who is Steves' little Ranger by and out of. I understand your logic coyote hunter I also understand by your post that your guessing on numbers and in my mind to be fair both dogs would have to have been bred similar amounts of times ( or pretty close to the same amount of times ) for this to be a fair observation. If little Ranger had 2000 pups on the ground and 1000 of them were champs then I would agree with your statement but I feel that both dogs or however many dogs you wanted to compare should be given the same amount of times to either succeed or fail for that type of comparison to be made. Just my thoughts. Dave

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:31 pm

So Blitzen,if you think I am guessing at numbers what would you guess the #'s would be ???Ranger Dan for a name he is only one of many that was a cash cow not a producer and if one thinks any different you are just being a clown ,the hound did very well for sure in trials and was no mistaken a good hound and did Tom's back accout even better,but not much of a producer.Dan

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:29 am

I pretty sure that Dan only produced about 150 litters, towards the end he started missing here adn there. Ask Tom how much money he made off of Dan and he'll tell you the truth and its not as much as many people think.

Will Dan produce 150 FC's?..very doubtful. Will he produce enough that people will remember his as a producer...I would say so. I think he's done that already.

I would probably have to say that Striker has probably been bred as much if not more then Ranger Dan.

liquidcooled · Post by **liquidcooled** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:40 pm

I breed to Ranger Dan 3 yrs ago and the stud fee was money well spent 4 out of 9 pups placed in both fun and licenced trials. A dog dont become top sire for 3 years unless he produced.I like his offspring most can carry the line with tounge and be dead on the money in the hardest and best conditions. So can Strikers offspring.