breeders guarantee

[george pirman]

I don't sell pup at all, period, no pups for sale! Selling pups is a puppy mill. I have 7 AKC Field Champions for rabbit hunting and many young dogs for 2011 competition and a few pups. NO PUPS FOR SALE! Pups are started here and are running good before we decided to keep for rabbit hunting and competition or cull. NO PUPS FOR SALE!

[Bunnyblaster]

So should the buyer be the culler?

Yes.......how can a breeder cull a pup that is 8 weeks old??.....other than because of physical deformities or other health reasons.

Here's my take on it for whatever that's worth. Any breeder that wants to give a guarantee I say go for it. If they give a guarantee then I would venture to say they've done enough breeding within their own kennels to know that the pups should all start and at least run rabbits. They'll probably even have a good idea as to speed and style you should expect to see also. I don't know how anyone can tell you exactly how well they're gonna run those rabbits because I would think if they could do that then none of us would be having discussions about how to find then next world beater.

If you want or expect a guarantee then go buy a broke, running hound that you can watch run and then know what you are going home with. I just think it's a little over the top to start expecting breeders to make guarantees like this. What if the pup doesn't handle well and ends up getting hit by a car?? Should they guarantee replacement then?? I'm sorry but there are just too many variables that go into breaking a dog to expect the breeder to take responsibility and in turn give a guarantee for all of it.

[rabbitsmoker]

I disagree i cant keep all my pups i just keep what i can train and my kennel will hold # 2 i dont keep males And my opinion on a puppy mill is just raising pups to sell and breeding everything and anything to get it done I know what i am raising and am not raising just to sell I like doing it but to keep them all i dont have the room and for the most part i raise them because hunting buddies and others that have seen my pups run ask me to so they can have a pup But someone set up to keep them all and start them thats great wish i could but for some it doesnt work out that way and that doesnt make them a puppy mill And a puppy mill has not got a guaratee that ive seen I dont have to advertise go look on beagles for sale pup page you will find your puppy mills

[bucks better beagles]

I see so many references to "Puppy Mill" and it always seems like a negative reference. I ask you, if a person breeds two good dogs together and has a market to sell some, why is this wrong? People who pay $300 as a stud dog fee, surely want to recoup some of their money through selling puppies. You see it all the time. How else do people who want a puppy get one? There is always negativity on here about "Puppy Mills" and "dog traders" and I just don't see why. Not everybody makes life long commitments to keeping a beagle.

[Tsa la gi]

Amen Buck, I sell pups and don`t consider my self a puppy mill. I agree, anyone that breeds litter after litter no mater what is a puppy mill.Half the people that do that don`t know what they got and will breed paper to paper.Their are a lot of good breeders out here that are breedin rabbit dogs. Hope to see you in a couple weeks,BE READY!!!

[goodpickens]

My 2 cents: I am a huge dog lover and before we got into beagles, I had never owned a pure-bred dog. I prefer to rescue an unwanted dog and give it a home. That being said--there is a place for breeding. I believe that place is to continue to improve the breed whether it is for hunting, herding, or being a pretty lap companion. Puppy mills are in the business for profit. They do not care about the dogs' health or to improve the breed. They care about money. No one in this sport is in it for the money. I wouldn't call anyone who raises beagles for hunting a puppy mill or even a full-time breeder. It's a love for the chase. Yes, there are hunters out there who breed their dogs just to make money. Those are the same people who don't provide medical care and will dump a dog that doesn't perform instead of finding it a home. It's those people that give hunters just as bad a name as puppy-mill owners. Any reputable breeder--whether it's for beagles or your grandmother's chihuahua--should guarantee the dog is UTD on shots and is healthy. You can look at the pup's pedigree and tell how it should perform in the field, but there's never a guarantee that it will turn out like its parents. That's the risk you take of buying a puppy instead of an adult dog whose personality is already set. I'll get off my soap box now.

[Shotgun John]

So should the buyer be the culler?

Yes.......how can a breeder cull a pup that is 8 weeks old??.....other than because of physical deformities or other health reasons.

Here's my take on it for whatever that's worth. Any breeder that wants to give a guarantee I say go for it. If they give a guarantee then I would venture to say they've done enough breeding within their own kennels to know that the pups should all start and at least run rabbits. They'll probably even have a good idea as to speed and style you should expect to see also. I don't know how anyone can tell you exactly how well they're gonna run those rabbits because I would think if they could do that then none of us would be having discussions about how to find then next world beater.

If you want or expect a guarantee then go buy a broke, running hound that you can watch run and then know what you are going home with. I just think it's a little over the top to start expecting breeders to make guarantees like this. What if the pup doesn't handle well and ends up getting hit by a car?? Should they guarantee replacement then?? I'm sorry but there are just too many variables that go into breaking a dog to expect the breeder to take responsibility and in turn give a guarantee for all of it.

This is pretty much how I feel. For the breeders that say the give a one year guarantee, What do you do with the dog that is returned for what ever reason you would accept and it turns out to be say gunshy. It could be the best running dog around but wouldn't do me any good if it's gunshy.

[rabbitsmoker]

I have never had that problem with one being gunshy but my guaratee is plain and simple before they leave with it if hunted i only guaratee them to hunt and run only I dont guaratee not to be gunshy because that can be caused by owner And i agree you need to sell to cover some exspense that doesnt make you a puppy mill myself i consider a puppy mill someone that only raises pups to try to make a living at If selling a few pups because i dont have room or dont keep alot of males makes me a puppy mill i guess thats what i am but i dont think so

[Shotgun John]

I have never had that problem with one being gunshy but my guaratee is plain and simple before they leave with it if hunted i only guaratee them to hunt and run only I dont guaratee not to be gunshy because that can be caused by owner And i agree you need to sell to cover some exspense that doesnt make you a puppy mill myself i consider a puppy mill someone that only raises pups to try to make a living at If selling a few pups because i dont have room or dont keep alot of males makes me a puppy mill i guess thats what i am but i dont think so

I understand you wouldn't take it back because it was gunshy, I said that you took it back for what ever circumstance that you would take it back and discover after getting it back that it is gunshy, what are you going to do then. I just used gunshy as an example.

[bucks better beagles]

A person who gives a 1 year guarantee that a pup will run to me, is simply asking for trouble. At a year old, I expect a pup to not only run but circle his own rabbit. Who is the referencing the dog. If the 1 year guarantee you gave me does not circle his own rabbit, to me, he cannot run. Can I therefore, return him? If I can, then I will take all I can get and simply, go through them until I get a good one and return the rest.

My point is that there are many definitions of "will run by 1 year old". Of course, a person can give any guarantee they want but this is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. You are going to have some argument as to what constitutes "running".

[blckcrk-dog]

TN Hoss: When you buy an unstarted pup it's a gamble, some make it some don't. Only guarantee should be the pups health.

Said it the way it is Hoss. No pussy footing around and no political correctness. When a man buys a health puppy and walks out the door, it is his. Too many buyers and cryers on here as it is.

amen buck

[rabbitsmoker]

I understand what your saying some dogs cant circle a rabbit at a year old somerimes later determined on how much one is hunted -soloed or whatever i only guaratee in my contract they will hunt and run most any pup is gona start befor a year old not all gona circle back to the gun at that age i just dont want to sell a pup to someone that is a coplete dud i am not guarateeing they will make a cracker jack that is the chance we all take its up to the buyer to make a rabbit dog out of them if it is in them basically im just guarateein my pups to start if one is returned and it is not started i return thier money most i have sold to i know and thier honest however i have had only 1 returned to me in 12 years if one is returned and they lie and say it was hunted and wasnt they have to live with it not me i done my part to try help someone not loose there hide on a counterfiet beagle

[blckcrk-dog]

you never know how that person has treated or trained your pup after 1year or 1 month I have seen some of the best blooded dogs in the world ruined because of the new owners,some scream ,over correct,to much e-collar to much running with trash not enough quality feed the list can go on forever,if I sell a dog for a reason he is doing something I do not like ,you buy him on a trial as long as he stays at my house during the trial period and I am with you when you run him if it takes 2 weeks of running every day when you decide he is yours no warranty ,if you buy a puppie from me you get a healthy puppie with full med records and up to date shots ,to many forget to give shots or follow up wormings or they put the pup with a bunch of sick dogs ,so on these I give a tail light warranty,just my 2 cents.

[rabbitsmoker]

I dont guaratee ones health and that is another thing understood if the pup is brought back and is skittish like it has had the crap beat out of them or sick or no hair that voids the guaratee i have had the family of dogs for awhile and a freind has the base of the family and has had for 30+ years and they dont act like that yea we know our dogs We dont have trial and error breedings that we sell then tell them hope for the best there is a litter mate older to see somewhat on what your getting that will not be forsale

[davidc5936]

A pup is not a machine- much of what he will be at 1 year old depends on what happens to him between the time the buyer gets him and he turns 1. I know guys who would buy a pup at 8-10 weeks old, put it in the kennel and take it out on the first day of hunting season and expect it to run. If it doesn't, they would want their money back. I wouldn't sell one of those guys any dog, pup or broke dog, because I know how they treat dogs. If a man buys a pup from me and comes back when it is a year old and says it is no good, I am going to take him and the pup to the woods to see what he is talking about. If it appears the dog knows his way around the woods, knows how to act, seems to have been worked with, and will not run even with another dog, I may give the man his money back. If you know anything about dogs, it is easy to recognize a dog that has never been worked with or trained. In that case, I wouldn't give him his money back but might try to work something out with him. Some people have no business buying a pup.

As far as a "puppy mill" is concerned, it is unfair to label everyone who sells a pup a "puppy mill". I don't have the time or kennel space to raise an entire litter of pups and break them all. If I want to get a pup from a female I own, I need to sell part of the litter, simply because I can't raise and break them all. I don't think that makes me a "puppy mill". In a perfect world, I would raise, train and pick from every litter I raise, usually one a year. I can't do that so I keep 1 or 2 and hope I haven't sold the best one.

Most of the guys I know will do right by a pup, and I don't worry when I sell them one, but when I have to advertise to sell them, it's always a gamble, and I would never guarntee anything other than the pup is healthy.