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northwayspur · Post by **northwayspur** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:13 pm

what speed would you call this,,,,,slow med, med fast or just fast,,,,,

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:32 pm

fast and wild and probably a whole lot of fun. Just imagine turning out 30 - 50 dogs on a cottontail. There will be splits every where, cutting swinging babbling and a whole bunch of other mess going on. After they get some of the junk up off the ground then they probably get some real solid running. On a cottontail if you have 12 dogs running, the first 4 or 5 may smell it the others are just making noise and me tooing, There is no way that the 12 th dog is getting any scent.

Big Dog

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:29 pm

Big Dog,

I'd say you have an answer for just about everything. I've always wanted to ask. Is there any dog, kennel, breed or trial format that you don't know about? My goodness, you talk about running around babbling!

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:45 pm

To the cowardly guest - Go screw yourself idiot. If I was wrong that would be one thing, but obviously I am not on this particular issue as well as others. People post on the board to get info or just to talk and I do the same. If I know something about it then I post, if I don't then I don't post unless I am asking a question trying to learn something. I answered the question that the guy asked and if you don't like it then tough sh_ _. If I say something wrong then I am man enough to admit it, excuse me for exposing myself to all different types of trials and dogs, maybe you should do the same and then you would have something positive to contribute rather than making an idiotic comment like you just made. Reach down and check yourself and if you feel anything down their then use your fore finger and your thumb to grab em(I'm sure that is all you will need) and be a man and post your name, you coward.

Big Dog

Robert W. Mccoy Jr · Post by **Robert W. Mccoy Jr** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:14 pm

Hey Big Dog,

Don't even give him a thought.

We are supposed to be on here to talk and help each other out not slam people for posting there opinions.

Keep'um comming big dog I always like reading your posts.

BJK · Post by **BJK** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:24 pm

Whatz up Dawg!

Whatz up with those player haters? Hey Guest, don't hate, you should congratulate, that way you can participate. All dawgs in the house say Roof! Roof! Roof! Roof!

BJK

northwayspur · Post by **northwayspur** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:20 pm

hey big dog i know what your talking about and thanks for the info,,,,,dont worry about stupid comments like that, if we were all on here to critasize every body guest would be are leader , i cant belive anybody would even post a comment with out usin your name, id rather be a man than a mouse,,,,,,,oh yeah ,jeff catt,indiana,,,,,,,

Bootleg72 · Post by **Bootleg72** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:16 am

Does this apply to AKC large pack as well? I think Sometimes they release that many hounds or more.

Thanks,
Michael

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:00 pm

I have never been to an AKC Large Pack trial so I am not sure about it. From what I understand quite a few of them are held in pens so it may be a little easier to keep some control over what is going on especially on hare. In some places they do run Large Pack on cottontail and I am sure there are dogs going everywhere at the beginning. If you cut loose 30 - 40 dogs in a patch of woods you will have dogs and rabbits going everywhere and it will be wild and wooly but also a lot of fun. Endurance/bottom is a major issue in these hunts especially on hare where dogs can run 6 or 7 hours straight. The real running probably starts after they reduce the size of the pack. Just think about what it would be like to try to run a twisting and turning cottontail with 30 strange dogs. There is bound to be at least a little chaos until the size of the pack is reduced. All in all these are all successful formats and obviously a great deal of folks support them, me included so have at it.

Big Dog

kjohns · Post by **kjohns** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:23 pm

It sounds to me that you would have to have a dog able & willing to run the front of the pack to make it through the first cuts until the pack gets down to a size you could actually judge the accomplishments of the individual dogs. Otherwise if your dog is running the middle or back, it's not going to get any scent, therefore the dog will probably look like an idiot no matter how good it is. Is this correct?

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:26 pm

To Kjohns - I have only been to one big pack trial and I didn't stay for the whole thing, but I think the first 4 dogs that cross on the line get scored speed and drive points. You need a front runner that has a lot of endurance to even think about being competitive in Big Pack. Dogs that quit hunting or stand around are picked up. They do give them a few minutes at the beginning to unwind. I think they get 5 minutes to do any barking or anything else before they start even looking at them. It is definitely different and I enjoyed it, but I doubt that I would run that format because I don't like to run my dogs in real big packs, it's too easy for them to pick up bad habits like cutting and skirting. Most dogs that run this format are not going to be the slot up type so the pack can get pretty wide at times.

Big Dog

GRIP12 · Post by **GRIP12** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:33 pm

I LIVE MISSISSIPPI. AND RUN AKC LARGE PACK ON COTTON TAILS &SWAMPERS. SOME IN PENS SOME IN THE WILD. IN MS. LA. TX. AR. 20 TO 30 DOGS PACK TOGETHER PRETY GOOD. LOT OF FUN. I THINK IT TAKE A FRONT N DOG TO PLACE. WITH AGOOD NOSE. " JUST MY OPINION. YOU GUYS SHOULD TRY RUNNING AKC LARGE PACK.

Bootleg72 · Post by **Bootleg72** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:47 pm

I would love to try AKC Large Pack. I wish we had a club closer to South Carolina. All we run around here is ARHA Big Pack. I championed a couple of dogs out in this format and won a Hound of The Year with one. I still run a few trials not many but I would love to have a AKC Large Pack Club in or around South Carolina.

Thanks,
Michael

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:07 pm

To Bootleg - If you guys have enough space to put on a Big Pack hunt you could probably put on a AKC Large Pack hunt in the same area. My buddy has a dog that won a hunt or two down in SC. The dogs name is Topper it is out of Turbo Powered by Prop Breeding. I think Henry Moore or either Ray Threadgill brought the dog to the hunts down their. You guys ought to look into starting an AKC club down their. l would love to see a Mid West SPO club in this part of the US. There is an AKC judging seminar on the 17th of July in either Raleigh or Durham and I plan on attending that to get licensed. If you guys are interested in putting together an AKC club let me know as I know quite a few folks from NC who have expressed and interest in running either AKC Midwest Spo or Akc Large Pack and would join in a heartbeat and help get the club off of the ground. If I had access to adequate running space here I would look into starting a club in my neck of the woods.

Big Dog

Bootleg72 · Post by **Bootleg72** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:20 pm

I would look into it further except down here we are undergoing some changes and I'm not sure what is going to happen. I am referring to the problem with a paper company taking their land back from dog hunters. The other thing is the deer population is getting worse by the year. If we were to start a club it would have to be in an enclosure. I think if you are going to run in an enclosure you need between 100 and 150 acres enclosed. You possibly need 2 enclosures to handle the 13" and 15" hounds. I would love to see a club come to this area in these formats.

Thanks,
Michael

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