New Dog Not Performing

RabbitDawg · Post by **RabbitDawg** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:05 am

Has anyone ever purchased a running dog, and once in your possession the dog just doesn't seem to perform like you were told or that you had seen previously? What should the transition time be from previous owner to new owner? How much time should I give this new running dog until, I say, well this one isn't performing and try to recoup some of my money? I have seen this dog run before, and did a good job, but now that I own it, I just haven't seen it yet.
Thanks.

B.Trull · Post by **B.Trull** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:07 am

I am going through the same thing right now. the hound has been here about 10 days has been ran 3x times, with very poor results. the hound does seem to have warmed up to me more and I will run again today if I dont get rained out. Good luck

Brad
LonePine Kennels

Phillip Smith · Post by **Phillip Smith** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:24 am

RabbitDawg, I just went through the same thing with the best dog I've ever seen run a rabbit. He belonged to my running buddy and he got killed last fall. This dog was Tuff. Before I had a chance to get him he got sold and left the state. Well the next thing I heard he wouldn't get off the back end. Got very few checks. I knew something was wrong.

Well another friend of mine traded for him because I didn't have the money at the time to buy him. Well when he turned the dog out I was sick, the dogs was starved nearly to death. He would run 20 to 25 feet behind dogs that he use to manhandle. I told John to get him to the vet because he looked awful. He had whipworms and was so weak from not getting to eat that he could not do much of anything.

He got to doing better but still not what I knew he could do. Also he would not mind him at all. I sold a couple of my best dogs and bought him. I used the shock collar on him a couple of times and spent a lot of time with him and within a week he was BACK and better then ever because I gun hunted him a good bit.

I had run with him all his life and don't know if that is why he did so good for me or not but it takes some dogs a long time to perform at their best.

wvrabbithunter · Post by **wvrabbithunter** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:37 am

i let a buddy hunt my best dog this last winter becouse i was working and could not take much time off,my buddy hunts with me and this dog for the last three years,well my buddy told me that the dog anit hunting like he should all winter well when i take the dog out he is hunting hard,the point i am getting to is this,this is a one man dog,he will hunt for others but not like he hunts with me,that is why i will only buy pups and start them myself,hope this helps,frank

RabbitDawg · Post by **RabbitDawg** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:11 am

Thanks for the reply's. I have had the dog for a little over a month now. Have ran her quite a bit. She has been in some trials, since acquiring her, and she has come in last in her cast several times?? She seems to be doing better than initially, but not to where I know she can be.

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:33 am

Something else bears discussing here. When a seller takes you to his favorite running grounds and takes the hound in question, does he take another hound? Does the hound know exactly where to go to jump the local rabbit population? Is he me-tooing with his kennel mate? I'm not saying that this happened in any of these situations, I'd just like to hear from some of you if this has happened. As buyers we need to be alert to all the things that can go on when a hound is on trial. I once took a hound solo to show to a buyer and he ran baby rabbits in heavy blackberry vines and sericea. He must have jumped and finished 5 rabbits in 1-1/2 hours and had no more than 5 minutes between hole and jump. None of the rabbits broke out of HEAVY cover during the entire time (month of June). WHen we got back to the truck, the buyer said that the hound was too slow for his liking. I'm sure it was something else that he didn't like, and that was his prerogative. BUT-no one on earth could have determined from that particular run what kind of foot a hound has. When buying, we need to see them in different settings, with strange hounds, strange people, etc. By the way, before Lynn Perkins reads this, I will volunteer to be the strange person anytime, Everyone knows I'm abotu as strange as they come!

Phillip Smith · Post by **Phillip Smith** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:29 pm

DRamey, agree with what your saying. Have seen some dogs that had to adjust to their new hunting grounds but this was not the case with the dog I'm talking about. So for he's been the same no matter where I hunt him.

bvinson · Post by **bvinson** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:18 pm

A few dogs take quite a while to become comfortable with their new owners and surroundings. It's been my experience that these hounds are usually very bright, aim to please and personable type hounds. The kind that make excellent hunting companions. I've never seen when one of these hounds didn't get back to their old self after some time. I had a friend that sold a 3 year old hound not to long ago that actually almost quit eating at his new kennel. I sold a 5 month old pup to a prominent breeder in New York last year that did the same. Both hounds came out of it after about a month.
Patience is a virtue that seems to be getting away from of alot of us these days-myself included. I had a similiar conversation with a knowledgeable houndsmen from KY just the other day. We spoke about how people buy a dog one day, throw him in a trial the next and expect the hound to win. Its not that easy most of the time.

wvrabbithunter · Post by **wvrabbithunter** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:39 pm

you know i think you have a point their,people want to try and buy a dog,then take the time to train and work with a dog,then they hear that this is the best,then they try and get read of the dog they have and buy the one they are hearing about,just to find out it anit no better then the one they just sold,all this just to try and come in first place,

swing · Post by **swing** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:17 pm

Ramey and Perkins, in the same sentence cant be good.
Id say it's 2 peas in a pod.
By the way nice of you to show yourself again Ramey, and I have been watching your back in the chat room.
J. Murphy was trying to knife you in there the other nite and I took the knife out of his hand. Just thot I would let you know

Cork Legue · Post by **Cork Legue** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:07 pm

Boys I bought a dog that was running very well down south,brought her here to good ol Michigan and she would not even sight chase a rabbit!!
It took about 3 weeks before she started running and when she did! look out!!Today I think she is 1 point from going into the hall of fame! so give it a little time to bond with you.

Robert W. Mccoy Jr · Post by **Robert W. Mccoy Jr** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:55 pm

Cork you should just sell me gypsy.
I'll give you $100 right now.

spice · Post by **spice** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:49 am

owned A akc male sold him to older man at 5 years old he had seen him run many times .The dog refused to run for him .He kept dog for 3 months still did not run for him . He gave dog away.New owner had the dog couple weeks when it started running for him. The dog had allways been ran on cottentail untel sold to 1st. man he ran hare in A inclosure this was what he was asking the dog to do when it refused. Next owner put him back in wild on cottentail the dog started performing better and better untel he was back to form again.

Grey Bruce · Post by **Grey Bruce** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:40 pm

It's off the topic but the last post remind me. Had a redbone, beagle cross that would not run any thing but hare. Take him out of the box and put him on a fresh Jack Rabbit track and he would look around and then at you and trot off for the nearest ceder swamp. He would look at you as if you where one stupid SOB for stoping at a field when he know the rabbitts where in the swamp. He looked just like a redbone that some one chopped the legs off, but he sure could pound a swamp rabbit around.

louis · Post by **louis** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:00 pm

I tried out a couple of hounds in the past that I got to watch run in the club pens and I could not have been happier but I mostly hunt not trial and when I took them out hunting they acted like they had never been on a track before and no idea where to even look for a rabbit. I gave them a month to come around (two different hounds on seperate occasions) and they never did. These were full grown dogs, pups I may have taken a chance on. Most honest sellers will give you a money back garantee within a month of running the dog and I have met several that even say to take the dog and pay when you decide it is what you are looking for, because what they think is a great dog may not be to your style of running and just not fit in.