"BORN DEER PROOF"

[Laneline]

I would love to be able to say that all my dogs are and were born deer proof. But that’s simply not the truth. I believe some of you do, and I have had a few.

I have had dogs never run a deer until they got old. I have had dogs that only ran a deer once or twice when they were first started before I broke them and they were easily broke off “for life”. And I have a couple that has never to this day yet, {knock on wood} have run a deer.

My brother Joe has the most deer proof dogs that I have ever seen, naturals from the womb. And in his backyard are deer walking right up next to his pens and where he runs, there is no hunting and there are as many deer as there are rabbits. His dogs have never offered to touch one of them, ever. So I thought getting the dogs around them and the dogs knowing what they are must be some kind of “key” to the puzzle. But I have at my house an absolute deer machine, he will absolutely tear into a deer trail and go out of this country. But he comes home to this deer in this picture and plays, wrestles, they clean each others ears and sometimes he sleeps with this deer. But when he hits the woods, he will still run any deer that he comes across, bar none.

I think it all has a lot to do with the genetic makeup of each individual dog, training and it's surroundings. I have seen dogs from many different bloodlines go both ways. I really believe that it has something to do with “the chase” and dogs knowing the difference between the challenge of “the chase”, and some dogs choose to run the deer, fox etc… rather than the rabbit or the dogs choose to only run the rabbit opposed to the others. Is it natural instinct, brains, fear or lack of fear to a shock collar that makes them run or not run off game? I really don’t know. But I couldn’t sell a pup or pups and state that every pup from every litter will choose not to run deer.

But I believe some of you can, I suppose that if it is genetic and you only breed dogs that choose not to run off game to other dogs that choose the same, and you do this for generations, that trait will get locked in just like any other trait. But a hound was “manufactured” to pursue scent. What makes them choose one scent over another, or be satisfied with the challenge of one chase over another? I think only the good Lord knows, because I have tried for years to find out and I still have no answer.

How many have had a dog that is “collar wise”, a dog that is strait when the shock collar is on him but is back to being deer crazy the moment you take the collar off. That’s what the “dummy collars” are for. I have seen dogs that run “silent” when and only they pursue off game.

But I do know that a smart, easy to train dog that catches on to things quick, knows what pleases his master. And I have doubts that any hound is “born deer proof” with the inability to run a deer because looking at it from the opposite side of things, I believe I could take a pup from any bloodline and provoke it to choose deer and turn it into a deer dog, but I don’t really “know” that, it’s not the kind of goal that I have ever set out to do.

[PREACHERS,KENNEL]

very good post laneline i enjoyed that ..i;ll addd one more thing to this tread ,,. itseems to me that if a dog is hyper it will run off game quicker too . i got one that i shocked proably 12 times off deer . he fianlly will go to the truck if a dog runs a deer now but boy was he hard to break if you look in the dictionary under hyper his picture has to be there lol.

[Gbeagle]

You sure it was the dog that was hyper sounds like a perfect self description ROFL!!!
Before you can say it BITE ME!!!!! LOL

[TC]

I have ONE that Will only Run DEER at hunts/Trials!!!!!!
Has taken 4 deer in his Life!!!!
Twice at the Little World two Separate years....
Once at the McVay hunt this Year...
And ONE time at a Club hunt FINAL ROUND.....
He Wont Trial again.. Just Caint Seem to handle the pressure I guess.
Collar Smart!!!! Wont do it as long as he has it on!!!! Will Come back to your feet if another goes....
We have TRIED Setting him Up on numerous occasions...
I Just Dont believe a Dog is deer broke until the Day you bury it.....

[pine top]

well i owen 10 dogs at the moment 2 are 8 mounths old the rest are 5 to almost11 years old there is one female that i bought from hill shack rag kennel in tn at 6 mounth old just started she is almost 11 years old and in her day was the best jump dog i owend never has she run off game and i mean never she has walked out of more than one offgame race but all of my other dogs have been broke . but she is the only one i have ever had that was not broke.

[Andy Billings]

The Hill's Shakerag dogs are about as close to a deer proof line as you will find. They say they break a few but not many. I have owned 5 or 6 and I have never had to break any of them.

[Chief Long Hair]

I had a deer proof female till she turned 8 1/2 years old. In other words you don't know for sure until they're dead.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I have had to break my share, thats the trainer job too teach right from wrong. If they are wired up in the breeding its gonna happen.I also believe some lines are more prone to run em.

[Ky. Hunter]

I have 2 pups that are 3 1/2 months that I have been using the deer break scent around them for the last month and I hope this helps and I also have a deer gland hanging in their kennel and every other day or so I pour some deer break scent on it. I thought it was worth a try. Their dam will not run a deer but I don't know about their sire Murray's Beethovan.

[mcardery2k]

We constantly take our dogs to the deer and give them all the opportunity. We also put them with dogs who do run deer so we know how they handle that situation. They may run deer some day but have never show any interest in deer ever. The tri-color dog's mother and litter mates also have never run deer.
Mark~


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRcFMWLQgE



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxB03D0IbBI

[Ky. Hunter]

Mark,
Now those dogs are deer broke and the deer don't seem to be afraid of you and the dogs either.

[danny vansickle]

well,i aint read all this,i am at work and caught a minute to look on here but i do believe a dog can be deerproof natural,my bandit dog has never,ever ran a deer,and turns them down all the time always has,he is a tatle tail,he has won 3 or 4 lp casts by coming back to the judge and sittin down on deer chases,and i have not had a single pup out of him run a deer,now,spot did take one once on larry howard,well,that is what larry thought it was,he shocked him and he never ran one since,maybe it was a deer maybe not,and the diablo dog that steve prince runs i raised him from a pup,the dog has never been shocked off anything and turns down off game all the time,and the young male i have that mitch bearfield sent me out of bandit and a primetime gyp,he has never took a yet yet,that is the big word,yet,but i have talked to a ton of guys that have bandit pups running and they all tell me the same thing,they seem to all just know not to run deer.......................


i am shure i will be called a liar and all that over this as usual but i can only post what i have seen and been told but many people have seen bandit and his pups turn deer race after deer race down,so,i am a believer that some dogs are naturally deer proof................

[wildcatfan0309]

i think the same danny
i beleive some are born deer proof
or atleast if they are started on rabbits and have plenty rabbit tracks put under them at a young age they just stay on rabbits
and dont know to run anything else