BOLDSTROKES NIPPER

[M. Kennedy]

All you guys seem to know so much about the Boldstroke line, but you can't answer the mans question about Boldstrokes placing in AKC trial? It would seem that if they have been around for I know 10 years or more.....and I know Gill stated that they have placed all over the country in all three registries.....there would at least one of these great dogs make AKC FC. I mean c'mon, I've never seen a line of dogs bragged up so much as you guys do. Gill sold out, and you all are taking up right where he left off.

M. Kennedy

[TomR]

Mr. Kennedy, Gill's heart was in ARHA Little Pack so that is where you will find most. I do remember a story about Gill running in a Appalachion Mountain Gundog Association trial and winning a real nice Jacket. I did see the Jacket. Nipper has placed in an AKC trial or two. I ran a female (Jill) in Midwest Derby a couple years ago but got picked up for being too slow and mouthy. I guess we all can't run with the Big Boys! If you have any questions check her trial record at this address:

http://www.homestead.com/rusneckbeagles/Jillweb.html
TomR

[marknc]

how about fc boldstrokes ramblin willie and fc boldstrokes buffallo bill and fc huricane mack is that enough to answer the question mr kennedy i hope this helps if u need any more ill try to look back and see what i can see as most was run in arha like tom has said but anyways have a great day mark

[Mike Thoms]

Gentlemen,
I may be way off here, but it seems like the shooting is coming from inside the camp. "Old Timer" went on to put down a Boldstroke dog and ended up naming two exceptional dogs that were Boldstrokes. He then went on to talk about the dues paid and the breeding ability of Gil. Then said you young guys can't do it and said he'll wait on Gil's return. Sounds like somebody's trying to get some separation to me. I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone needs to tell "Old Timer" what Gil has done, I'm pretty sure he knows. WATCH YOUR BACKS FELLAS, why else wouldn't "Old Timer" identify himself, unless he really is a jealous coward who talks about someone he really likes? I guess they're out there too. Whoever he is, I hope you young guys prove him wrong. Good luck, MIKE

[JCM]

I have run with Nipper, Musket, and Buffalo Bill, along with a ton of other Boldstroke dogs. How many have granded out in ARHA? Very few considering the number entered.

Buffalo Bill barked everywhere. His owner ran him to death to try to get his mouth cleaned up and couldn't. Musket was trialed by several people including Gill and Mike Vigar and couldn't compete. Anyone who brags about having a Musket bred dog probably never saw him run. I ran against him several times for several years. He could not compete. He stood on checks and watched dogs, while waiting to try to steal checks. Nipper barked a ton.

Excellent houndsman owned and trained these dogs. Guys like Ray Smalley and Bob McWilliams got the best out of them. Yet they still couldn't make good, clean rabbit hounds out of them.

Gill lives 15 miles from our ARHA club. He came to one hunt and according to him, everyone cheated him so bad he would never come back. Another club was 30 miles away from him--same story. Another club was 55 miles away--cheated him also.

Are there good Boldstroke dogs? Sure. Mike Vigar had a female named Ruby that was an exceptional dog. Are there others? Probably. However, this line has always been the most over-promoted line of dogs to ever be bred.

I don't know who Old Timer is, but he sure knows his stuff. He must be like me. He too is probably sick of the BS.

[dawgydawg67]

MarkNC
I just happened to be scrolling through the format here and saw my name. Who do you think you are by calling me out? I handled Sally in the '95 trial season, great dog have never said anything bad about her. As far as Elsie, ok dog wouldn't have her too slow. As far as me wanting to buy Sally sure I did who wouldn't, but I NEVER wanted to buy any of the other dogs that he had at that time....NONE! I'm not going to bash his dogs on here but the oldtimer hit it right on the head with the discription of what those red dogs were doing. Please get your story right as to why I quit trialing his dogs. I ran,feed,trialed his dogs. I promoted them for him and you know how much I was paid? A ball cap and pull over jacket, and oh a pup from Hurricane Mack, which I gave away. I NEVER recieved a dime for the trials from Gil not even entry fees. I was new to the sport and it didn't take me long to figure it out. As far quitting He didn't have anything running that I wanted so I went to my own line of dogs, he didn't like that. I was being used to promote his dogs will I got stuck with all the bills. So MarkNC before you run your mouth about me and your story about me watching his dogs run and then wanting to buy them and getting mad and leaving get your story straight. YOU were not there. I did not like ANY of his dogs(except for Sally) Especially the red ones! What AKC trials have these dogs finished in? Why do you think they revoked all his AKC rights? Maybe because of the conditions,DNA couldn't match do some checking. But before you accuse me of being oldtimer get all your facts. I don't need to hide behind another name. I'll speak my mind and don't care who it offends. Bob(dawgydawg67)Dawes

[dawgydawg67]

I just finished the rest of the topic, I had to laugh. There is NO WAY Huricane Mack ever finished in anything. I took him to 2 trials minused out both times for not producing. Why? Because he made stuff up. Or if you ask Gill his nose was just too superior to all the other ones..yeah. He could run tracks other dogs couldn't.....I wonder why? MarkNC don't fall for all these stories from Gill Ask the other parties involved before you shoot of your mouth and look STUPID! Dawgy

[Guest]

yep, like i said, the truth hurts. as far as my name, all that you need to know is that it's

old timer

[Cannon Hollow Hounds]

Sheesh!! I'm pretty new to this forum stuff but just when I thought I was gettin a handle on it you guys just blew me away. I'm near an early retirement and have been thinking about getting into trialing but I think I'll just keep running and enjoying my dogs (in my own acre and a half pen) and puttin a bunch of them wascley wabbits in my freezer through the season and forget about the trophys.....Bluetic/tri's....Ain't they purddy

[Cannon Hollow Hounds]

Sorry for sounding stupid,but what are ghost rabbits? Are you talking about chipmunks,chucks,squirrels, i.e. (trash) or what....Thanks,Pat

[msohio]

I get so tired of reading about how great the Boldstrokes dogs are. There are some good ones out there but for the most part that's just what they are, good not great like you guys think. I don't know who Old Timer, JCM,or dawgydawg is but they have got it right.Gil used to live minutes from me until he moved. Gil hid his dogs, He would bring them to my house until whoever was coming to look at them left. I was at the same trials JCM was talking about, and he's got it EXACTLY right. I can't count how many times his dogs have been running in my field, or how many times they showed up at my house, because Gil just let them run wild, who knew what they were running. If you got a dog from Gil that was older then a 3 month old pup you could just about bet they would run anything! You guys need to get to know Gil a little better, most people who really know Gil can tell you DON"T BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE SAYS. I thought since Gil sold most(not all) of his dogs I wouldn't have to read this BS any longer, was this part of your deal with Gil? Sounds like something he would want you to do. When he would start one of his post about the Boldstrokes he would call me and ask me to say how good the Boldstrokes were, and I don't believe I was the only person he asked, who else will admit to it MBK? TomR? Anyone else? Guys love your dogs but don't start jumping on someone else just because they know the truth when you've been fed the BS.

[marknc]

dawgy
i wasnt calling you out i was asking
but if the shoe fits wear it ok as fars as getting my storie straight it is u offered 4000 dollars for the dog and u was declined u was a greenhorn to trialing and u did trial salley so that u could get the reconition u wanted and loved at the trials thats why u feed watered ran and payed the entrie fees reckon thats the truth and u did love the reconition and sally so much that ya wife left you because of it AND U DID LEAVE MAD THAT DAY if youre line was so superior then why didnt i hear about youres instead of the boldstrokes hmmmmmm wonder why if u trialed salley in 95 and its 2004 now is that not enough time to get those dogs of youres going or do u need a boldstroke again to get it done instead of buddy judging that is going on u know what i mean dont ya
so u didnt like any of his dogs eccept sally esp the red ones lol where do u think they came from and another myself and my dogs dont look stupid they might make youres look that way though thats is an offer if u wish to take it akc ukc nkc under the gun whatever u want mark

[marknc]

if u are so tired of reading dont click on the boldstroke topic its real easy to do the dogs i have hear are great to me thats why i feed water run hunt win trials and pay vet bills so if u guys dont like them so be it i do and will run with or against you doesnt matter to me this is all fun and this is the way i will keep it as i cant say that about you guys because it looks like yall have let it get the best of ya only way to do that though is get some GREAT BOLDSTROKES U READ THAT MSOHIO
JCM
i have hunted behind and in front of musket he is nothing like u describe not even at ten years old i do have akc nkc ukc dogs from musket and one is lp rabbit champ and one is hbch and a couple more are coming on strong what u say doesnt hold water with me at all
if u want to run sometime hollar at me thats give me a call my num is the same it hasnt changed over night if musket couldnt compete i dont think he would have rch on him and a great reproducer as he is what dogs do u guys have anyways let it be known be proud of them it really doesnt matter what i or noone else thinks as it is what u like is all that counts and i know i have rabbit dogs and they are BOLDSTROKES
HAVE A GOOD ONE MARK

[Guest]

boy you just like my loving wife of 23 years. whenever the kitchen gets too hot or when she's losing ground on a fuss, she changes the subject. i thought this was how women was but i guess it's not, men too. huh. you asked about nipper so i told you and so did other folks that knew her. i even told you who trialed her. now cause it aint what yall want to hear dont get mad. cause, sometimes the truth hurts. son nobody likes a good dog better than me, but watch how you breed them dogs. i know bout the shy ones, the ones that get stuck on track, the ghost trailers, and cold nose dogs too. be very careful and let your work and results speak for you. remember, i'll be watching as i always do.

so long, and i'll see ya around,

old timer

[snowshoehareguide]

Sorry for sounding stupid,but what are ghost rabbits? Are you talking about chipmunks,chucks,squirrels, i.e. (trash) or what....Thanks,Pat

pat running ghost is a dog that will run circles barking - dont ask me why - never see anything in front of them - they seem to run where the rabbit should go- if there was a rabbit... i think they bark anywhere there is a rabbit turd on the ground-- ive seen a couple like this they were not boldstroke-- i bought one dog from gil davis - best i have now- - he gave me one - was making a decent dog- it died young- ive never met gil in person all i can say is the man treated me 110 % id buy a dog from him anytime- i keep telling this every time i seen him raked over - i dont think any line is without culls - i like the two boldstroke dogs ive seen.. i am not easy on dogs- usually two sides to every story im trying to keep an open mind here.. i think should be a rule that u need to sign your name to post on message board- what does it count for if u dont.. ? pete