Ralph, Bev , Josh , Steph, Bob, Jimmy......

Suzay · Post by **Suzay** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:18 pm

Rough running itself in all honesty is a rule that is hardly ever enforced in UKC, although I have probably seen more people enforce it within the last couple of years then the previous years.

The cutting, slashing, overrunning (very blatant) is when I usually give a warning.

This past weekend, at a loss a male in our cast hit the scent, and then went about 30 yards off track and tonging about 10 yards. Ran like he had something there, although we all knew there wasn't, as the rabbit was squat no-where near this dog. Did he get a warning - no, should he have - I think yes... I guess it's just as much my fault as any if I didn't say anything. It didn't affect the outcome.

I was running a pup, so I was there to have fun.

WSRandy · Post by **WSRandy** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:20 pm

Thanks Bev and Suzay, I think what I saw was normal for UKC I was just shocked I guess. I didnt realize how fast and rough a dog was allowed to get, my dog included. All I can say is the people who complain in PP about speed need to go enter one of these trials...........I will bet the farm they wont make the mistake of calling a "tweener" a LP dog again

This was truly an experience I wont soon forget.........thanks for the spankin! LOL

Randy

Suzay · Post by **Suzay** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:48 pm

Not to step on anyone's toes or make anyone mad, but usually at the bigger hunts you'll find the more "competitive" of individuals out there.

I've lost more casts then I've won, I've been "OUTHANDLED" a few times. But I've learned and watched, you know who they are and watch what they do.

Here's another thought - on the lighter side.....after one month of not being able to run (and then last week we have the great weather). I can bet there were a lot of dogs that weren't in shape, like they usually are. Dunno....

Don L · Post by **Don L** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:33 pm

A dog in a UKC event ,that leaves a check area right quick to strike another line or the same rabbit at that distance and that quick without searching the check area, before searching further, Is roughing up the pack and will get warned for rough running.

Ringo · Post by **Ringo** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:46 am

You know what they say Randy, some people just can't take a beating. Go ahead and judge a whole program by one event. Maybe you should keep going and show the world what a good dog is?

WSRandy · Post by **WSRandy** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:36 am

Well Ringo, I didnt judge nothing I simply asked a question! You can bet your behind I will be the first to offer my opinion on it when asked though. Hey I went and seen some of the best of the best that UKC had to offer, I didnt plan on placing and expected to take a beating, I figured what a better place to see what it is all about then the Eliminator, I had been told it is one of UKC's big hunts. Heck, I have never done any good in any BIG hunts in ANY organization with my old panlickers...........but I had fun. I will probably go again sometime. Feed what you like and like what you feed....I DO!

See ya,
Randy

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:49 am

Talking about being outhandled. Have any of you seen a dog look at its owner for help when a rabbit ran out into an open area and turned and the dogs lost it?

My sons dogs (heelers) will turn and run looking whichever direction he puts his hand and if he puts a fist on his chest, the dog will go barking in that direction. Is hand signals allowed and have you seen them being used? He could train a beagle to do the same easily.

Since the judging is done with everyone knowing where the rabbit went and is in an area that must be somewhat open for all present to be observing, seems this would be an asset. If you can see the dogs, they certainly can see you.

The dog would be on its own while running in the rest of the race where observing and judging is not being done.