cold nose

kjohns · Post by **kjohns** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:11 am

Wait a minute here. The dog silently backtracked this hare 150' (50 yards), finally figured out it was going the wrong way, (credit for figuring it out) turned around and jumped the hare 15' the other direction. And a dog that opens on an old trail, going the right way, working the line to the rabbit or hare sitting is wasting time. I'm sorry, I don't understand the logic!

Phillip S. · Post by **Phillip S.** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:24 am

snowshoehareguide, I agree 100% on the coon dogs. There are very few coondogs now a days. Most are made Grand Nite Champs off feeder buckets and don't have enough nose to work a 30 minute old track at all. Most go in a straight line till they hit a track that is hot enough to slow them down and tree on the first tree the coon taps. Oh, most coon hound pups will tree at any earl age. From what I've seen at Field trails that I've been to they do not promote hunting dogs just hobby dogs. If they would give the dog 5 minutes to empty out and start hunting and the ones that didn't, pick them up it wouldn't take long to go through 100 dogs at a trial. Because you wouldn't have over 5 or 10 left. But that's not going to happen because it would cull out too many hobby dogs! I love a cold nose dog that can hit a cold track and be in the briars and have the rabbit jumped before the other dogs can figure out if they even smell a rabbit.

WELLS WOODS · Post by **WELLS WOODS** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:02 pm

Noone said a dog that opens on an old line and works it to a jump was wasting his time; He produced game and is given credit. If he had not produced he would have been opening on a line that was unproductive, therefore wasting time. Steve C. was merely stating that his hound, although with a strong nose, when she ran across this fresh track did not open until she was sure she could produce the rabbit. She had enough brains to control her desire and nose until the rabbit was produced. If a dog had opened on this backtrack and went the wrong way this is no reason to cull this hound; young hounds will do this sometimes on a hot line that hasn't been run yet and will usually figure out thier mistake and eventually work back and find the rabbit and should be given credit.
The hound that is unable to figure this out is either lacking brains, nose or desire or just hasn't had enough experience in the field.

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:51 pm

Joe, I can't think of one good reason why I would want you or Clyde to agree with me. I have done some stupid things in my life, but that would be the topper. You are back to twisting words around again when you say I said the rule book or standard is wrong. I say it is incomplete just like the dogs that run under it most but not all of the time. Clyde you are correct. I don't know what truth is but I sure as h-ell know what it ain't. If either one of you gentlemen ever agree with me, it is time for me to join the church of Christ. Are they the ones that pet snakes and won't take their kids to the doctor? Keep up the good work.

steve · Post by **steve** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:01 pm

Wells Woods why aren't there any field trials held in the winter in states that have old snow cold temps tough running that would put a good test on the wantabe dogs there should be a tough dog trials held in DEC. JAN. FEB. MAR. not just fair weather trials.And if people would only start culling dogs Instead they keep passing on advise give the dogs or pups more time.My pups must be started and running almost full circle by 6mths old or time to move on if in the wild mother nature would not be so kind to late starters they would be eliminated.

WELLS WOODS · Post by **WELLS WOODS** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:36 pm

Our Mid-West AKC trials start in September and end in May. We have trials in KY, OH, IN, MI,WI, IA, IL, WV. You will encounter every weather condition at one time or another; snow, ice, dry, wet, rainy, extremely cold temps and extremely hot. There is also some trials in AR that run swampers, and MI that run hare. Everywhere else cottontail. Some clubs should and do try to schedule thier trials when weather is less brutal so people can travel safely and get thier dogs to the trial, but weather is unpredictable a year in advance.
You are right about culling; I have been guilty myself of spending too much time with a young dog that just isn't going to make it. I can usually tell within two or three times after the pup is started if he has enough potential. Some guys are bound and determined to never give up on certain pups, so I try and give them tips that may help, but it's my belief that the good ones will show it early.

FullCry · Post by **FullCry** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:54 pm

Hey y'all,it seems like to me that as a dog gets older it's nose gets better and or it learns how to use it better.And Steve,some dogs would have barked a little on that line then turned around and came back without saying a word on the way back and jumped the hare just as your dog did and of course y'all would fault the dog.I mean I see your dog can jump a rabbit but jeez...........we all have dogs that can jump a dang rabbit some better at it than others and some not.I imagine I myself have some that can jump as good as yours and probably maybe better.That dog was just being sneeky on that line and I bet even when she jumped the rabbit she didn't open for a hundred yds.Also even an open coldtrailer that is good at it doesn't open on a backtrack line.FullCry

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:36 pm

Bob, it is added, not join as in Acts 2:47 and no they do not handle snakes and do take their children to the doctor. I know you are giving Bro. Clyde a hard time and that's fine as I know that you know the difference!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:38 pm

That last post was me, Alabama John. Don't know why it came up guest?

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:44 pm

hey John, Why don't you come up here to Yankee land and run some Iowa rabbits. I have a place they run big big and you will think you are hunting canecutters!!!! I have places they run little too and you think you are hunting chipmunks. Lots of quail this year and pheasants and my buddy has some great bird dogs. He sells a couple every year for 2 or 3 grand. If you want to hunt coon my other buddy has some good Yadkin River Jeff dogs. Won the Iowa ch and when you turn them loose thay will get treed somewhere no matter the conditions. Bring me some okra and I will let you run my Scarlet dog. If I could just teach her to clean them!!! Take care and God Bless!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:41 pm

Bob, do you have to have any shots or papers to come into Iowa or any states between us? How far is it to you? I'm afraid ya'll would make fun of my dogs. Have a great Christmas. John

New York Hillbilly · Post by **New York Hillbilly** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:57 pm

Pete,
I'm well thanks for asking and Merry Christmas to you and yours. This round and round about cold noses, whats faulty and what is not, who prefers what and how some know so much while others know so little, is making me dizzy. At this stage of the game I know pretty much where everyone stands on the topic. There are those who strive for the "perfect" hound and are entrenched in wowing everyone with there superior intellect and academic prowess. And then there are dummies like me that probably spell prowess wrong..

and are happy just to hunt and wear out my boots and britches. But the one thing I do know is that no matter how faulty one might think my big nose, cold trailers are, they are still far better than I at sniffing out and bringing a hare to the gun. They are meat hounds first and foremost and what they lack in pack ettiquette they make up for in a full game bag at the end of the day.

My hounds have enjoyed some degee of success in trials and have some shiny trinkets and ribbons to look at and smile so they certainly are not all bad. But when it comes right down to it the only they need to please is me, so I could care less what someone else thinks about their manners or lack there of. I have always said if you don't pay my bills, cook my meals or sleep with me......(and none of you guys are that cute) it don't matter what you think. So for now I'll keep and be happy with what I have because it works for me. I have a few pups that are coming on right now and they look promising, including a good looking male out of my old (12) big nosed bitch. I'm sure they might not ever be the perfect hound that so many others are looking for or claiming they already own but I am equally certain they would not be afraid to run with anything anyone else might want to throw down. Best wishes for the holidays to y'all and good luck in your search for that perfect hound. By the way do you suppose our hounds would call "US" faulty for constantly opening and running this same rabbit (topic) in circles? I bet they would have a good reason to call some of us babblers.

Peace,
NYH

Joe West · Post by **Joe West** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:42 pm

Bob: I'm sorry i didn't see anywhere where you said the standard was incomplete but I stand corrected. However, Your still farten in a whirl wind when you don't give specifics.

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:29 pm

I think a rabies would be good enough. Get em Scarlet!! Good dog!!

rockhilldog · Post by **rockhilldog** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:34 pm

Just for the record, Bob, I got pissed off just reading halfway through your first comment, I did not even finish reading the whole thing. I do believe that you and that blackfart beagles fellow are the ones living in a dream world, feed what you want but I would assume if your style of dogs were the only ones to pick from, I would not run another freaking beagle for as long as I live. I guarantee if I were to judge your dogs in any format of field trial, they would escort themselves to your truck, for
I know what dog work is.

Tony Kildow