re field trial.

snowshoehareguide · Post by **snowshoehareguide** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:35 am

id like to hear some opinions . of all the dogs mentioned in online field trial that are living , which dogs would you like to take hunting tomoro. id like you to pretend its going to be -10 degrees and crusty snow... and its the only chance you have to hunt this winter. your depending on rabbits or hare for food. if dog cant run your family will starve... also if you know of other dogs u know will run on crust and below zero u could select one not on list.......only stipulation is they must be dogs still living. pete

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:23 am

You're as bad as I am Pete, begging for information that very few have to share.

Rem · Post by **Rem** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:38 am

WELL THE BEST I HAVE SEEN IS FC. CHASE'S CROCKETT. THIS DOG WAS BORN IN VERMONT AND STARTED ON SNOW AS A PUP. HE HAS THE NOSE TO RUN IN ANY CONDITIONS. HE ALSO USES HIS BRAIN WHEN HE SEES A TRACK HE WILL PUT HIS NOSE IN IT AND THIS TURNS INTO A RUN MORE THAN NOT. HIS FEET DO NOT SPLIT OR CRACK SO HE CAN RUN IN ANY CONDITIONS. HE HANDLES VERY WELL AND DOES NOT RUN OFF GAME AS OF YET AND HE IS 6. EVERYONE THAT HAS SEEN HIM RUN ARE VERY IMPRESSED. IF THERE IS A HARE TO BE FOUND IN A AREA HE WILL FIND IT. OH BY THE WAY, I MAY BE A LITTLE BIAS SINCE I OWN HIM AND HAVE TRAINED HIM SINCE HE WAS A PUP. HE IS THE BEST I HAVE EVER OWNED.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:56 am

well, I would take mine. She has a big nose that gets her into trouble at field trials. However, she rarely fails to produce a rabbit given time. I have seen other dogs fail to honor her but eventually come back when she gets it up and running... This is the kind of dog that I want to take out on the hard crusty snow in below zero conditions... She will find a rabbit when others can't.

Emery

swing · Post by **swing** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:42 am

Chris,
Im not being a smart @$$, but what line of dogs do you have up there that are so superior to what us southern boys have that cant run in your conditions.
If it was that hard to do, to find a dog that fit your conditions I would either move or come up with another hobby.
Believe it or not I am being serious
Trent

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:19 pm

swing wrote:Chris, Im not being a smart @$$

Say what's on your mind, but no need to hide from your intentions.

swing wrote:but what line of dogs do you have up there that are so superior to what us southern boys have that cant run in your conditions.

You're behind in information I guess, Trent. I don't have the dogs that can get it done every day. Never said I did. In fact, I was commiserating with Pete, because I know why he's asking, because he doesn't either. Fact is, tough wintertime conditions are just that, tough. Dogs good enough to do it every day are so rare that they pop up less frequent than your conscience.

He's asking the same question that I've been begging for answers to for a long time, "where's the blood that doesn't need excuses because of weather?". Most folks don't venture out when they don't think their dogs won't run decently. Neither he nor I have that luxury, and even if I did have that luxury I wouldn't be too happy about it.

swing wrote:If it was that hard to do, to find a dog that fit your conditions I would either move or come up with another hobby.

It's not a hobby, it's much more important than that. Everyone's trying to learn here, at least I assume that's why folks visit.

swing · Post by **swing** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:00 pm

Say what's on your mind, but no need to hide from your intentions.

If thats what you thot so be it.

Dogs good enough to do it every day are so rare that they pop up less frequent than your conscience.

Boy it's amazing what a guy that runs a board can get by with.
So much for me being tactful anymore.

Now guys could you reread this and tell me where I was being a smart @$$ and not trying to ask a question.
Maybe thats where Yankee's and Southern guys come across a little different.
Chris,
Im not being a smart @$$, but what line of dogs do you have up there that are so superior to what us southern boys have that cant run in your conditions.
If it was that hard to do, to find a dog that fit your conditions I would either move or come up with another hobby.
Believe it or not I am being serious
Trent
Never did care for a smart @$$ and really not a Yankee one.

P.S. As far as saying whats on my mind you just heard it

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:24 pm

Swing, easy on us Yankees, the war is over... lol

Emery

blackdirt beagles · Post by **blackdirt beagles** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:18 pm

i hunt in all conditions and temperatures down to and including 0 degrees here in IL and my dogs get the job done just fine. sure we have "off" days and there are 1000 excuses that have been talked about on this board as to why dogs have bad days, but in general, when i go to the field, i can shoot as many rabbits as my lazy butt

wants to clean. my dogs might not be "stand out" or "show off" trial dogs but we usually have a nice time out. you guys up north always complain about ice, id rather have the temps be about 10 degrees (or a bit less) with a nice layer of ice on, thats when we have some good running. we rarely have more than 6 to 8 inches of snow on the ground at once, but whether its fresh, powdery, crunchy, wet or whatever, we still get out and run in it. most of my dogs will coldtrail (not babble) for a few minutes if they have to on the hard days, but a high percentage of those that start out "cold" get put in the gamebag. i know it can be hard to find (or make) a complete all condition dog, but its not impossible as i can go out and look at a few in my kennel right now. i know a lot of you on here will say my post is BS, but my name and number and address are in the phonebook, so stop by some morning and we'll go.

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:19 pm

I've hunted with some great hounds but I've never owned or known a hound who was able to run EVERY time out. The best I've known was FTC Otterbrook Chopper but there were no doubt dogs his equal. I think you fellows in the south see some times that are just as tough due to heat and dry earth as our extreme cold and dry snow. Personally, I believe the very toughest conditions are not extreme cold with dry snow but rather old, crusty, rotten snow with temps in the 40's and heavy ground fog that eats away at the snow. I've never seen ANY hound who could run on such conditions. This can be typical in March around here. Nature seems to protect all species occasionally with conditions that favor the prey animal. I had one fellow tell me last summer that he killed hare off his hounds every time out last year. After pressing him a bit he admitted he didn't hunt during January and February. I find that my hounds struggle with the heat far more than the cold as they see so little of it and don't get conditioned to it. We don't get our limit each time out and I can accept that my hounds have limitations. I don't get a deer every year nor do I catch fish every time out. I think it's asking too much to expect it. Emery, it's on my "must do" list to visit Idaho for the hunting and fishing. If it were up to me I'd become a resident but I have a reluctant wife. If I ever get out that way I'd like to look you up and run some hounds.

Trial153 · Post by **Trial153** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:27 pm

Pete to answer your question, I would take FC Timberline Sweet Caroline. The conditions that you described I would want a dog the excels on snow and in cold temps. They would need nose, brains, gears and guts as well as the desire to do what ever it takes to bring the rabbit around. Although she earned all of her lics wins on bare ground she is twice the dog on snow. I have run her on frozen ice/crust as well as in powder and she consistently runs the rabbit to the gun. SEE this months better beagling results for a trial that she won last Jan at Holyoke BC, I was judging the 15 class while she was running in the 13" class, the temp that day never reached above 15 deg and we had heavy snow on the ground.
I hunt 3 or 4 days a week during the whole season and when there is snow on the ground she is the first dog I take out of the kennel. She is the best I have in bad conditions, and i 'll go out on the limb [Yes I seen a few "snow dogs") and say she is the best that I ever saw run on snow.

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:32 pm

swing wrote:Never did care for a smart @$$ and really not a Yankee one.

P.S. As far as saying whats on my mind you just heard it

LOL! Tell us how you really feel Swing! LOL!

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:12 pm

I don't really like Mr. Bill dogs too much, but I would take FC Timberline Sweet Caroline in heartbeat. I was offered a pup out of her and if I had room it would certainly be here. Carol is just an awesome bitch to watch run. And to correct you when we got into your truck at 2 PM it was about 12 degrees...when we got into your truck and casted the dogs is was -5.

Larry Mazza called that FC Timberline Sweet Caroline would win that trial the night before. AND HE'S NEVER EVEN SEEN HER RUN, HE JUST WENT ON HER REPUTATION AS A GUNDOG.

For those of you that don't know Carol's backround, shes out of FC Fairman's Tom-Tom(Double Bill, she finished at Pittstown 9/02) out of a Mountaineer Punka bitch. Just a nice bitch, my favorite of Jims.

I've ran with Carol, I've judged her, and if plans worked out right, right now I would be shooting hare of her(but oh well). I watched her own a pack of 7 at New Scotland's Club Championship that included FC JD's Pinewood's Mary and FC JD's Roundhill's Mary. If you ever have a chance call Jim up and watch this bitch run.

TomMN · Post by **TomMN** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:00 pm

Pete, I don't know nuthin bout no field trial dogs but if I had to pick some dogs to hunt in those conditions I would take the ones I usualy take. I have one in the kennel that has run every time out so far, including waist deep snow, -25 and old hard snow, -10 and windy, whatever. He's been doing it since before he was full grown. I'm hunting a couple pups off him now, we'll see what they can do this winter. I've seen a couple dogs that belonged to guys I hunt with that were better than anything I have, I would love to hunt them if they were still around. I realy don't think these dogs are that uncommon. Chris, come on out to Minnesota this winter. Pick the worst day you can find (normaly happens on a Saturday when I am planning on hunting). I promise there won't be no excuses.
By the way, did you mean -10 for the low or -10 for the high temp for the day?

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:01 am

Steve C., I no longer live in ID. I have moved south (and no Swing that doesn't make me a southerner). The cold and snow that I was refering to was in nothern Wis where I grew up.

Emery

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