Deformities & More...

[DRamey]

Leah, I would guess that Underdog is probably a rescue animal anyway, is that correct?

[Ryan]

So he could get a pack of 5 for what one of your pups cost.

NO DOUBT!!! and they'll most likely be just as good.

I also believe that hound hunting is a past time not a job.I'd rather give away a dog that I put the time and money into if its going to a good home rather than rip some one off(and I have many times,and lost money,but I was happy knowing what had been done),If you ask HUNTERS around here if they want to buy a weaned pup for that much money they will laugh in your face.

[Larry G]

I don't ask hunters crap because most of them don't know crap.

Love how that profanity thing works!

OK I don't ask hunters $hit because most of them don't know $hit. And oh yeah, I am a hunter

[EARLYBIRD]

LarryG how long have you been a houndsman?

[Windkist]

Leah, I would guess that Underdog is probably a rescue animal anyway, is that correct?

No, actually its from a show breeder. The animal trainer that does movies comes to us quite regularly looking for dogs. I sold them one but, when they got her they felt she was too small so, she came back. They are really good people and treat the dogs well. They are all rehomed with either trainers or cast members after the movie.

Leah

[Larry G]

LarryG how long have you been a houndsman?

'bout 60 years... maybe if I read these posts I will someday know as much as all the experts on here that started last week... trouble is I can't figure out which expert to believe! Maybe you will tell me that and all will be well.

[Heinie]

I happen to own the dog with the hernia that was mentioned earlier. She no longer has this . It went away as she matured.......just like Jim thought it would. Since there is no gaurentee with these things.....I was able to buy a dog of this caliber at a reduced price (because of the hernia).
I am totally satisfied with this dog and enjoyed working with a breeder that would tell me the truth about a pup. I have experienced very few of those type of breeders Mr. Heasley was honest and upfront about everything. I really like this dog alot and I am darn glad I fell into an oportunity to purchase her. I would buy another dog from Jim anytime.

[yellowdog]

So he could get a pack of 5 for what one of your pups cost.

NO DOUBT!!! and they'll most likely be just as good.

I also believe that hound hunting is a past time not a job.I'd rather give away a dog that I put the time and money into if its going to a good home rather than rip some one off(and I have many times,and lost money,but I was happy knowing what had been done),If you ask HUNTERS around here if they want to buy a weaned pup for that much money they will laugh in your face.

from my experiance here in missouri most of the guys wouldnt know a good dog if it bit them in the arse...however i dont raise very many litters only what i wanna keep for myself then i sell the extras...i usually have no problem selling the extra pups...for a decent price...just out of curiosity is your time worth nothing to you?...also are you getting the shots the wormer and the qaulity feed for free?...if so hook me up with some will ya?...hounds are a hobby for me as well as my wife and kids my whole family is involved with the hounds...it aint near an income for us it is by far an expensive hobby...but still i think that my hounds or pups should bring a fair price..i have sold some pups here in missouri and also some running hounds for what they were worth in my eyes..i have also had the guys call and want to buy a dead broke hound for 50 bucks my response to them is i dont feed 50 dollar hounds but if they would like to come and watch some run they would be more than welcome...in my opinion with these hounds as well as most things in life you get what you pay for...if you have found the jackpot where you get the greats for potlicker prices that is great for you...not bashing you here partner just dont understand the whole i want it all but i dont want to pay for it thing...by the way since you are in mo. if you wanna run with me and my way overpriced hounds sometime you are more than welcome my cell # is on my website...happy holidays tracy skiles "glaserhollow beagles"

[SouthernBeagles]

I am not an expert by any means with hernias but have had my experiences.

What you guys are talking about is an umbilical hernia. These are usually caused by an over aggressive female chewing the cord and in most cases DO go away.

The Hernia I stay away from is an Inguinal Hernia. An Inguinal hernia is in the groin area. I know for FACT these hernias can be genetic. I had to go through the back crosses and eliminate it from my breeding program years ago. I had several nice dogs that did not have the hernia themselves but would throw an average of 3-4 pups per litter with the inguinal hernias. SOOO I had to find out which females and which males carried them, THEN had to do the back crosses to make sure it wasn't laying recessive in the pups.
I had to let a lot of good dogs go and almost start over. It was very hard BUT I didn't want to perpetuate this kind of problem in my hounds.
Another point I would like to make is the comment someone made on inbreeding. Inbreeding and line breeding does NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS.............It exposes problems already there. Inbreeding is an excellent tool for checking your line for problems. The fear is that "Most" people don't want to know what is there or if they DO find something, they think that by oucrossing it will go away..........BULL!!! The gene can lay recessive for generations. When a cross is made to another hound with the same recessive gene EVEN if it is from a totally different line.........OR BREED.........the genes can be paired and the trait becomes dominant.
The ONLY way to remove a bad gene from a bloodline is remove the carriers from the breeding program. If you don't breed the hound, it can't pass the gene. Sad truth is if the pup has the problem......Mommy and Daddy have it too although they may not show it..........they still carry the gene for it.

[Heinie]

very well said!

[Ryan]

So he could get a pack of 5 for what one of your pups cost.

NO DOUBT!!! and they'll most likely be just as good.

I also believe that hound hunting is a past time not a job.I'd rather give away a dog that I put the time and money into if its going to a good home rather than rip some one off(and I have many times,and lost money,but I was happy knowing what had been done),If you ask HUNTERS around here if they want to buy a weaned pup for that much money they will laugh in your face.

from my experiance here in missouri most of the guys wouldnt know a good dog if it bit them in the arse...however i dont raise very many litters only what i wanna keep for myself then i sell the extras...i usually have no problem selling the extra pups...for a decent price...just out of curiosity is your time worth nothing to you?...also are you getting the shots the wormer and the qaulity feed for free?...if so hook me up with some will ya?...hounds are a hobby for me as well as my wife and kids my whole family is involved with the hounds...it aint near an income for us it is by far an expensive hobby...but still i think that my hounds or pups should bring a fair price..i have sold some pups here in missouri and also some running hounds for what they were worth in my eyes..i have also had the guys call and want to buy a dead broke hound for 50 bucks my response to them is i dont feed 50 dollar hounds but if they would like to come and watch some run they would be more than welcome...in my opinion with these hounds as well as most things in life you get what you pay for...if you have found the jackpot where you get the greats for potlicker prices that is great for you...not bashing you here partner just dont understand the whole i want it all but i dont want to pay for it thing...by the way since you are in mo. if you wanna run with me and my way overpriced hounds sometime you are more than welcome my cell # is on my website...happy holidays tracy skiles "glaserhollow beagles"

What part of MO are you from? Folks in central and northern MO are a different breed,and they probably say the same about us LOL
And like I said before people that I have seen selling dogs to high are not worried about there time or money they put into the dog they are just worried about making a buck.
If you are not to far away I WOULD like to meet you and go hunting I am VERY curious if my $50 dollar potlickers can hunt with yours,oh and I have one that I payed $40 for better watch out he's a good'en.
Oh and to answer your question-- in march I raised a litter of four, wormer cost me $13 shots $10 at the most and feed well for six weeks it only cost about...well we'll just say $15 which is way more than I probably paid but I honestly can't remember...so what are we up to now? $38 dollars per pup? DANG thats waaaay off from $350 in fact isn't that like over $300 profit????? ok we'll throw in a vet check WOW another $10 dang thats still about at least $200 profit....I understand that vets wormer shots and other stuff all varies on price but come on guys it doesn't take a whole lot to raise a litter of pups to weaning age and sell them.That litter I had in march was a c-section litter and that cost me $150 but all three of the pups I didn't keep went to homes to serve as a couch potatoe,they sold for $50 each and I got my money back what else could I ask for?Plus I got a great rabbit dog out of the litter that is what I wanted in the first place.I did loose my money on the wormer and stuff if you want to get technical but I keep that stuff on hand at all times so its not a big deal.(to me)
So i guess you are right you get what you pay for,but I would rather get a potlicker from someone that doesn't price gouge than to get one that someone made a huge profit from,just for their time lol. You said that hound hunting is a hobby for you too but when it comes time to sell a dog that hobby time gets pretty high dollar huh?

[yellowdog]

i sell my pups for 150.00 ...i dont think that is out of line do you?...i live in central missouri near rolla...anytime you wanna go run some holler at me...by the i have probably given away as many pups as i have sold...but one thing is i know the mother and father and prolly the grandparents as well and what traits they throw...i agree some breed for $$$$$$$$...i aint that guy...but i do breed for a quality hound that i can be proud to put my name behind...again look me up and we can go run some...

[Larry G]

I bought a good bitch that had inguinal hernia on both sides. It never showed up in her pups and never bothered her at all. The man I got her from got to wanting her back and I sold her and 2 of her pups to him and far as I know they are doing fine. He says one of the bitch pups is his best dog now and this man has won more field trials than I've been to and that's dozens of them. My vet said he could patch it up but it would likely not hold and the best thing was to leave it alone.

I agree that it could cause problems especially in a brood bitch but in my case it didn't.

[Larry G]

Tell a vet around here you want a C section for $150 and a pup checkup for $10 and he will not only laugh in your face he will kick you out the door.

I don't know where you live but as being shall we say a man of means by no means I think I would like to live there.

[wvbill]

Around here once everything is said and done with a reputable vet you are looking at a vet bill of 750+ for a c-section.

Dang office visit here is 35.00 dollars and that is before the needels are pulled out.

Bill