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Ronnyg wrote:I feel a plug coming to breed to a "National Champion". LMAO!
No plug needed. It just takes a little common sense.
To many people that own and raise beagles are ignorant, immoral, and very deceitful in their dealings. If they weren’t, they would make some type of guaranty when they sell a high quality hound for a fair price.
What is your idea of moral? I saw an add of yours that you were selling a female pup that had an obvious hernia in the picture you had posted. When one of the ladies on here pointed it out to you, you removed that specific picture that showed it and left the add on here. Would that not be considered deceitful?? Additionally I saw an add you had that your were selling a female that you stated was not old enough to have a "full season of hunting" yet you offered to breed her to your "National Champion" male and deliver her to the Silver Creek Picnic. Most respected breeders would NEVER breed an unproven female. These are just a couple of examples in the short time I have been coming to these boards. Yet now you wanna question the moral stance and ignorance of others???? Might wanna do a little practicing before you start the preaching. JMO
First of all, the female with what you are calling a hernia was guaranteed that it would go away, and just like I thought it did. The gentleman is very happy with the female.
The female your referring to that hasn’t had a full hunting season under her belt was a very promising female that is now in Austin, TX. She raised a litter of seven pups, and the new owner is very happy with her and the pups.
You can keep trying to take this post “Off Topic”, but I have nothing to hide. I am not sure exactly why you are making this personal.
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Simple saying everyone has their own beliefs and ideas of what is "common sense, moral, ignorant, and deceitful". I would bet there are people who would not use your practices the same as you wouldn't use the practices of some. It struck a nerve with me reading that post. Not saying I am right but I have my opinions just as you do. Won't keep beating a dead horse here...........if you wanna discuss it further just shoot me a pm.
Ronnyg wrote:Simple saying everyone has their own beliefs and ideas of what is "common sense, moral, ignorant, and deceitful". I would bet there are people who would not use your practices the same as you wouldn't use the practices of some. It struck a nerve with me reading that post. Not saying I am right but I have my opinions just as you do. Won't keep beating a dead horse here...........if you wanna discuss it further just shoot me a pm.
I sent you a PM
* I enjoy meeting new Beaglers & Squirrel Dog Owners. It's a blessing to find other's with such unique interests.
* I also enjoy helping future hunters.
Ronnyg wrote:I feel a plug coming to breed to a "National Champion". LMAO!
Ha ha yeah, that is funny... specially since I know the good ol' boy who was the judge......
Jim... the ladies on here who show AKC on here ain't gonna breed to him. The LP Double Turbo guys (rest of the board except for you) ain't either.... UBGF shows are a joke... even I can win them... and have.... and have gotten good dogs beat by what looked like mutts.... some of the judges don't know the first thing about dogs.
And, oh yeah... the UBGF judges do not open the dog's mouth to check the teeth. They do not watch the dog move. Many never even touch the dog, just walk by and look on ONE SIDE ONLY.
Before anyone puts out a contract on me, all this crap about what is a good dog is all a matter of opinion and THERE IS NO MEANINGFUL STANDARD OF JUDGEMENT for dogs in looks or performance. The AKC field rules are the same for brace as for LP on hare, as far as what the dog is supposed to do. The conformation standard could be describing a Lab as well as a Beagle. So it is what is in vogue or what the judge likes, aside from funny colored eyes, only 3 legs, etc. I asked one of the UBGF judges what he was looking for in a dog, and he is a good man and a good friend, and he said the main thing they got to have is a big, splayed out foot. All else don't make much difference. Like I said it is all opinion.
Saw this dog for sale because of bad legs. Now I believe the breeder is pretty well thought of and responsible. The man says it does not show up in his pups. Would you breed to this dog?
For me, no, but I think he would be a good using dog. I have a young pup now starting that I bought and he is from some top stock. His front legs are pretty bad, didn't show up as a baby but it's ugly now, like a Basset Hound. Still if he runs good enough I know people that would breed to him.... not me.
I seen a picture of Townlines Johnny Paycheck and also talked to Alberts daughter Mary, she said he was a heck of a dog and didn't pass the legs on to his offspring, but his looked pretty bad in the picture.
This post wasn’t designed to be a personal attack on anyone. It was met to be informative. When I made the statement “In humans as well as dogs deformities have been “LINKED DIRECTLY” to many other problems: kidney failure, heart defects, liver problems, mental illness, problems with the brain, and much more.” It wasn’t meant to be debatable. It is factual, and any person in the medical field for human’s or animals should be able to support it. It’s no secret.
The “Traditional Brace Dog Movement” had little to no consideration for confirmation, and in the mid 1970’s when the SPO (Small Pack Option) movement got started confirmation slowly started getting a little better in field trial beagles.
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* I enjoy meeting new Beaglers & Squirrel Dog Owners. It's a blessing to find other's with such unique interests.
* I also enjoy helping future hunters.
The hound that Larry G posted from beagles for sale is a dwarf. Some friends used my stud dog and Bub is one of the litter that was produced. I would NEVER breed that hound. Not sure where it came from as I have never had this in my line. But, I would definitely never make that cross again.
I don't care what anyone says, I believe that excessive line breeding will produce some major defects down the line. The breeder should be prepared to cull to prevent this from being pasted on but all of us know that alot of defects will skip a generation or two.
This is done extensively and really none of my business. Every breeder has their own goals whether it is an FC, great gundogs, conformation, or a combination.
We were the ones that Sold this Dog as a Pup The Sire and Dame both had NO HISTORY of any problems and he was the only One from the litter that showed any problems and Should Never had been Sold Or bred.
And Sally is Correct this breeding Would never happen again...
I Cannot Believe that this Person ACTUALLY BRED this HOUND.
OH And the Dogs ORIGINAL NAME was
crewsenoakhillblue southern bubba
Just someone trying to use a name to sell a dog!!!!!
I Do know one thing If he Runs like his Mamma and daddy hes a Goodn!
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From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
TC, I asked one of the most respected members of our club what kind of looks and color he likes. He said I don't care what it looks like and it can be pink polka dotted just as long as it will run a U no what. Looking at his pack backed that up... some of the strangest looking dogs I ever saw.... but they ran a U no what very well and that's all he and most gunners and SPO trialers want.
If I have a Healthy Male & Female Pure Bred Beagle that I like. That can bring a rabbit around to my gun, fast with few mistakes. Only that will pack up and solo a rabbit. I would breed them. Nobody knows how the pups will turn out untill you try it. My opinion, if you check the anciesters of your dogs and want more Beagles, then start out with pedigrees of IFC & FC dogs. They did not get Titled because they could not run a rabbit well. They beat the competition - NOT once or twice but several times. For Myself I try to improve the hole pack of hounds not just one single dog. You need Variety to hunt Rabbits.
Just got off the PennHip Site
got a number of vets from here in NY to Vt and NH in Ny the prices were high as much as 600 for the test in VT found one for 380 another for
400 t0 500
so if you are thinking of this method it will pay to shop around I have a Lab i want to get done therefore the inquiries
John o
She is about 4.5 months old now and still looks like a weaned pup. Yep they are heavy linebred.