kennel blindness??

SilverZuk · Post by **SilverZuk** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:04 pm

You feed it.
So if you don't like it - get rid of it.
You may not like its looks, mouth, or just plain don't like it.

There are ones that are not great dogs, possibly marginally good dogs that you like. Keep those dogs, those are the ones that make you happy because you like them.

DedRabbits · Post by **DedRabbits** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:28 pm

SilverZuk wrote:You feed it.
So if you don't like it - get rid of it.
You may not like its looks, mouth, or just plain don't like it.

There are ones that are not great dogs, possibly marginally good dogs that you like. Keep those dogs, those are the ones that make you happy because you like them.

I guess that's more or less part of what i was saying. What someone else considers a good or great dog doesn't necessarily mean it's the dog for me. Likewise, a lot of folks probably wouldn't like mine. Sure, there are some that own hounds that aren't necessarily houndsmen, but I don't believe that a guy or gal isn't a houndsman because they keep a dog too long, in someone elses eyes. Of course I suppose what one person thinks a houndsman is may be different than someone else.

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:29 pm

Dedrabbits,
I didnt say if you keep it you arent a houndsman. If you dont know what it will make it you arent. Cut and dry. im not backing up on what I said. If you dont know what you have before 2 years old, then you either arent running it,or you dont know what you are looking at.

Post by **Pike Ridge Beagles** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:01 pm

It is more a question of running time verses age. Once a started dog is ran a full year in all the elements then one will know the potentiel of the particular hound.
If the owner happens to be fond of a certain dog due to breeding, kennel manners, handling he may give that particular dog a few more chances but ultimately after a years worth of solid running you will know pretty much what you have. Question is, can you let the ones go that you have grown fond of. I have no problem letting dogs go but it is never an easy affair. I have let a lot of good dogs go not because of how they ran or didn't run but more to make room for new blood.
Bottom line, keep and feed what you like but if you are a field trialer you better be ready to cull. I currently am not a field trialer but I am very stringent about the type hound I keep. They all must be able to jump and circle their own rabbit with medium to fast foot speed and ready to go all day without any significant faults.

DedRabbits · Post by **DedRabbits** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:32 pm

Mr. Crabtree, I owe you an apology. I misread your post about 4 times...I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed,lol. Again, I'm sorry and I hope there are no hard feelings.

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:41 pm

dedrabbits,

Never were any hard feelings on this end. I speed read too.
Sometimes its hard to let them go, even when you know they aint gettin it done. Ive been there myself, even though deep down I knew.

DedRabbits · Post by **DedRabbits** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:45 pm

Oh I don't have any to part with yet, but I know that day is coming. I don't trial so I guess I'm probably more forgiving when it comes down to what I need a hound to do.

jlboomer · Post by **jlboomer** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:26 pm

well all i can say is ive only been around beagles for about 18yrs and i don't know alot but i do know that ive turned loose a many 15 and 16 month old hounds listening to other people that by the time they where 3 money couldn't buy them back. Now i don't try to get to attached to any dog but i have one now that i am the little dog has guts but most would put a bullet in here. let me run you throught this little dogs career with me this little female started at 6 months old she was a running fool noise to the ground and would pound a rabbit ran one so hard one day that she hit a tree head own and broke here jaw didn't really think she'd make it but she did mend up pretty good but that set her training back months really didn't get to work her much until about a year old but now this female has her days she's not perfect but i like her additute and i think she has guts any dog that would track hard enough to hit a tree head on because she was sticking to the track that tight earned a place with me. and i will build around this little dog.

full circle kennel · Post by **full circle kennel** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:12 pm

seems to be a drawn line between the hunters and trialers here.. i myself do both and dont want to work a substandard pup. if i 'm not seeing the traits of a winner i have a hard time investing in the dog. my reason: if you have looked at enough young dogs <10 months> you will find what your looking for. there are young hounds that dont need to be handmade!

beagler111 · Post by **beagler111** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:02 pm

Hey Full Circle this is a little off post but how is your Romeo dog bred? Thx

Post by **Pike Ridge Beagles** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:14 pm

beagler111 wrote:Hey Full Circle this is a little off post but how is your Romeo dog bred? Thx

He has quite a bit of Big Meadows Bull blood http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... light=bull
I think he has some Turbo blood as well. He is well bred for sure.
I have seen this dog a few times and ran with him once in the hottest and dryest conditions. He is a nice hound anyone would be proud to own. Pat paid pretty good money for him and made him a field champion in ARHA and UKC. Plan to hunt over him this season once or twice with my good friend Pat. He is a very nice looking liver (or red?) and white copper nosed dog with a big bone stucture and blocky head. Solid dog in every way.
btw, Pat is a houndman in every aspect and very dedicated to the sport of beagling from trialing to gun hunting. He is also a very giving and kind gentleman.

full circle kennel · Post by **full circle kennel** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:09 pm

thanks ed ! rome is by far my favorite dog in the kennel. i now have his littermate sister that is a very close second to him. i'm excited as she will be my new open hound in ukc. 111, if you are mrs. Bassit i ran with you at the zone semi finals /ukc . anyway, he is directly out of jasper and some local bred stuff on the bottom side. his mother is a littermate to rocky ridge libby, 2006? arha world hunt winner. she is also a very nice hound too. pm me if you would like to know more.

Greensprings Kennel · Post by **Greensprings Kennel** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:11 pm

I liked what Pike Ridge said, to me it's more about time in the field. If my schedule allows me to get a younger hound in the field and have plenty of opportunity, it should be started by 8-10 mos. old. By a year old, it needs to show me that little something extra that makes one worth keeping, and by 18-24 months it better be able to hold it's own..!
I cull hard and don't believe in selling off what I consider sub-par hounds, needless to say, I go through alot to find a few..!! It's too bad more people won't take that approach, there'd be alot less crap out there......

Post by **Pike Ridge Beagles** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:11 pm

Greensprings Kennel wrote: I cull hard and don't believe in selling off what I consider sub-par hounds, needless to say, I go through alot to find a few..!! It's too bad more people won't take that approach, there'd be alot less crap out there......

How true this statement is. And, we'd have a lot less dogs for sale that should be either fixed or put down. I read a book by Reverand Parks years ago that dicussed culling. The name of the book is called Better Beagling or How To Breed Better Beagles if I remeber correctly and I reccomend anyone new to breeding beagles to read that book.

beagler111 · Post by **beagler111** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:41 pm

Full Circle sent you a PM. I agree he did a good job the day I hunted with him. Enjoyed the link for Bull.
Vicky

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