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wabbit wunner · Post by **wabbit wunner** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:26 pm

Has anyone ever seen or heard of someone that killed thier dog out in the field for not hunting right? At the end of last season I was hunting with a guy who had brought some of his friends along, well one guy's dog had trailed a deer we had jumped going in with the dogs. The man had said to all of us that if that dog ever comes back off of the deer he would kill him we all thought he was just talking because he was not suppose to run deer. Boy was we wrong after about an hour we wasn't having much luck so we loaded the dogs up to try another spot well when we was leaving his dog came in and he went to catch it but it was shy where he had beat it so much. He shot it right there in the woods took his coller off and never thought twice about it. I have never seen anything like it I feel so terrible for not saying nothing but I was in such shock I couldn't say nothing. It was the most horrible day I have ever had in the field.

BH · Post by BH » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:00 pm

Yes I have had someone tell me that. But sometimes that is the best way to get rid of sorry hounds. It sounds bad and all, cause if it was the hound's first deer run or a young pup I would not expect him to go that far out, but it would not surprise me if that dog was a trouble maker or has been causing him problems.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:15 pm

Great post for the antis dumb @ss!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:54 am

Great post? Heck yeah guest. What do you do with a bad horse?? You shoot the darn thing.

I have seen it done more times that I can count, mostly with deer dogs that wouldn't run. GO figure, if it won't run deer then it is not worth leaving around.

Christine M. · Post by **Christine M.** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:53 am

This is why you people have the animal rights @$$holes up your rear end. If life means so little to you that you can just shoot a hound that'd give its life for you, I am so disgusted. I've been reading here for months and this is nto the first time I've heard something liek this. You have a cull, you shoot it between the eyes. WHY? You're annoyed it didn't make you look good, and God forbid you should feed a dog that you probably brought into the world for a few weeks until you find it a good home or pay the vet to have it humanely put down. Honestly, after reading posts like this it not only turns me off to the sport, but also gives me insight to why beagles fill shelters and puppy mills. You just don't care. Its all about bringing home bunnies and one big F****** EGO TRIP!!!!!!!! PATHETIC!!!!!!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:05 pm

Hey Christine,
Why is taking the dog for an expensive shot at the vet more humane than putting it down yourself?

Mony

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:06 pm

Wait a minute now. I never said that I shot a dog. I have but only wild one and mean ones. I have never shot one of my own. Just said I have seen it done. That is what I refer to as "old school." I hunted with a man that would have a litter of pups, knock all but two in the head at birth. That was the way he grew up doing it. He had no need for extras and it wasn't worth the money or time to him to raise them. I didn't say that was right but that was his way and you sure didn't tell him otherwise.

I will say that I would rather sell a dog than put him down. No papers or fixed of course. I have no problem killing a dog that is aggressive towards me or other people or is really sick. It wouldn't be easy but a $.01 .22 shell is alot cheaper than a $50 shot. You have the same results. You are right though, a dog that has given his all for me will get the shot, it happened last winter. A dog that is useless won't be around to see old age at my house so that I am not concerned with.

Christine M. · Post by **Christine M.** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:35 pm

Guest...
You asked me why putting a dog down at the vet is more humane than a bullet between the head.
Because in this situation, where the dog was running trash, and in MANY MANY other instances where this goes on, it is because the dog was doing soemthing undesireable to the owner. Their life has no worth to someone like this, only their desirable actions. So we're not really talking about humane by way of the pain before death that a dog feels. I'd imagine a well placed bullet would be as painless as a shot.
If you really think I am talking about the measurement of pain the dog feels before his death, I truly am sad.
The hounds come last in this sport. It is such a shame. Other hunting/sporting breeds that do not cut it in the field are at least given the opportunity to be pets. Neuter undesireable dogs or if you can't then out of respect for a LIFE have the dog humanely put down. Geez, I don't know any other sporting breed that isn't screened for genetic diseases before breeding, whose females are bred once a year, and whose culls or hounds that had the nerve to shame the owner are taken out and shot as easily as you'd throw out the trash. It makes me embarrassed that I even own a hunting beagle, as I do not want to eb associated with people who have so little regard for their hounds.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:48 pm

Christine M. wrote:It makes me embarrassed that I even own a hunting beagle, as I do not want to eb associated with people who have so little regard for their hounds.

Perhaps you could take your heart off your sleeve and the blinders from your eyes and you'd see that beaglers aren't that bad a group after all. Your willingness to pigeon hole and insult such a large group of folks you don't even know makes me wonder if you wouldn't be better served selling your Beagle and getting a pointer, maybe.

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:07 pm

Christine, anyone killing a dog in whatever method, bullet or Vet, for not living up to his standards should do it only in the presence of their wife or wife to be. Then look at her sorta sideways and squinch his eyes.

It gives them cause to think!

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:16 pm

Chris wrote:
Christine M. wrote:It makes me embarrassed that I even own a hunting beagle, as I do not want to eb associated with people who have so little regard for their hounds.
Perhaps you could take your heart off your sleeve and the blinders from your eyes and you'd see that beaglers aren't that bad a group after all. Your willingness to pigeon hole and insult such a large group of folks you don't even know makes me wonder if you wouldn't be better served selling your Beagle and getting a pointer, maybe.

Good post Chris!

Biran · Post by **Biran** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:19 pm

Christine,

Would you be willing to take all the culls that can't cut it in field and give them good homes and a porch to sit on. Seems like this would solve your delima since you feel that putting down dogs that can't better the breed is inhumane. How about the cows that don't milk and the chickens that won't lay eggs. Do you think anyone will give them good homes as pets or do you think they will be put down. I'll ask the dairy farmer beside me what he does with his cows that won't produce milk and contribute to his income. I'll bet he spends a bunch of money on fuel hooks up his trailer takes time off from the farm hauls the cow to the vet and pays him another 100 to euthanize it because he just loves it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:05 pm

Chris:
I am not pigeonholing ALL beaglers. If I were doing that, don't you think I'd be including myself, since I do hunt with my hounds? No, I am referring to those so far removed from the hounds that they don't regard them as being feeling animals, they are merely a commodity, a way to increase status, or give themselves an ego trip.

Brian:
No, by no means do I have the time or finances to take in every cull, nor do I have the desire to. Some culls can be neutered and make great pets, but there are a shortage of good homes for beagles because the breed is just so overbred. Even the ones from good stock. I'v eheard og bitches having 6 litters or more in their lives. No bitch is THAT good. Sorry. As a group, we need to start doing some serious re thinking on our breeding ethics, less on our wallets. I know there are those who can't afford to eat unless they hunt, but still, their dogs provide them with food, the least they can do is treat them with dignity.
Seriously, we need to cut down on our litters, and be VERY selective as to what bitch and sire we breed to, and who gets our pups. We'd give ourself a lot less culls too, if we operated in this manner.
When we say with no remorese that we regularyl shoot culls for not performing well, we are inviting animal rights &%$#* to lie about and degrade this sport, and give them more fuel to their fire. If we do not step up our ethics in the field, I think our greatest enemy in keepig hunting alive is none other than ourselves...

Christine M. · Post by **Christine M.** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:05 pm

Sorry forgot to sign my name, the above post was mine...

DDWBeagles · Post by **DDWBeagles** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:40 pm

You are not alone Wrabbit Wunner and Christine. After reading your last post, I agree totally. I had to laugh a bit at the thought of any of us using our hounds to put meat on the table though. Who amongst us (here on the internet) would go hungry if we didn't hunt? I dare say "none of us". A good computer will run you about $3000 every four years, we pay $20+ bucks a month for internet access, and now, let's talk about dogs.
A tracking system runs about a grand, vet bills or shots (even if you do your own) will run atleast $10 per month/per dog. Shocking systems run anywhere between $300 to $800. Collars, tags, fees, dog food, kennel contruction & maintenance, etc..... The list goes on and on. Hell, I could buy a whole lot of groceries for what I spend on my dogs and I only have three.
For those of you, who shoot the culls, you are cruel. I'm no tree hugger or animal rights activist, but nuetor/spay your culls and put a post for free "pets" on this or one of the other boards. You'll have no problem finding owners. I'll put on my flanel shirt, brush pants, jump in the jeep or pick-up, drink a budweisor with any of you, but to make public post supporting this culling method IS drawing negative attention to our sport. We are having a tough enough time keeping our priviledges on public land without adding fuel to the fire hear. If you use this method to cull from your pack, fine, as an American you have the right to do so, but keep it off of public forums.
My old deer club, shot a lot of their dogs at the end of the season. If they didn't earn their keep during deer season, the owners were not going to feed them all year. I understand the logic perfectly, but we had about 60 dogs, few of which were ever run or worked with before the season. It was the owner's fault, not the dogs. After a year of seeing this, I never renewed my membership with that club. Anyway, I support your comments and stand at your side.

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