Question about breaking dogs from running deer
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crawdaddy15
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Question about breaking dogs from running deer
I have a couple of 1 year old males that are really running good on rabbits, but the other day they got on a deer and took one of my other dogs I thought was broke with them.I run shock collars on all my dogs so I can stop them pretty quick once I know that's what they are up to.My question is how do you break them from running a deer at all I have an older dog that was given to me when I first started running beagles and he won't even look at a deer in fact he will tell on another dog if they do.I have had several people tell me to turn them loose on a hot deer and as soon as they start barking shock the hell out of them I'm sure this would work but I also know a guy who did this and his dog quit wanting to hunt altogther.These dogs will really run a rabbit so I don't want to screw that up.If i do try this do I need to turn them loose on a rabbit afterwards and let them run.I know a lot of you guys out there have really good straight dogs so I would really appreciate any advise you could give me.
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I put the shock collar on 6 and hold the button down until they are under the tail gate. I have never had one that didn't want to hunt after that and only one ever ran deer again. After the second treatment she was broke also.
I know an old man who uses a deer back leg. He lays it in the yard and turns a young dog loose. He sits in the kitchen with the transmitter and ever time they get to close to the deer leg he blast them. He says if you use this during the yard training period it is a lesson learned. Just like here or anyother command you teach them.
I know an old man who uses a deer back leg. He lays it in the yard and turns a young dog loose. He sits in the kitchen with the transmitter and ever time they get to close to the deer leg he blast them. He says if you use this during the yard training period it is a lesson learned. Just like here or anyother command you teach them.
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If you shock them off of a deer try to get them on a hot rabbit as soon as possible. But when you do shock them off deer, show no mercy, I will shock mine on 6 and hold it until it stops.
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Rabbit--Deer--Rabbit
Run a couple of rabbits, then find a deer. After that, get'em back on another rabbit. I believe this teaches them what they are supposed to, and not supposed to run.
Bart
Run a couple of rabbits, then find a deer. After that, get'em back on another rabbit. I believe this teaches them what they are supposed to, and not supposed to run.
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I have a friend of mine that is an old coon hunter and he told me to break them by going shining deer. 1. Walk them out in the field where the deer was and get them the opprotunity then light them up. 2. In the woods make positive that it is deer. 3. If at all possible put them on a rabbit after the treatment. My buddy lit his female up after we saw some deer in the woods and walked them to it but, she was about 20 yards away from where we originally saw the deer and then my straight female went over by her and took off on the rabbit his female had opened on. CAN YOU SAY OOPPSS? Be sure and be consistent. Good Luck, Hunter
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about breaking dogs from running deer
I have to disagree with Danny I would not let mine get close to being out of hearing but let them get out aways and allways be sure of what they are running try to cut them off and when you do shock them do not show any mercy you definatly want this to stop befor it gets out of hand. 
and yes try to get them on a hot rabbit as soon as posible.
and yes try to get them on a hot rabbit as soon as posible.Deer running
Shoot rabbits over them. It helps them know what it is they're supposed to be hunting.
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I wait until they are putting mouth on the line and start to stretch out on the run. Then I make them break dance.
Keep on hunting as normal afterward.
I have a gip that gave up hunting after the first few times I shocked her.
I just kept on hunting with another dog, and she eventually would get away from and start hunting again.
She is now my truth teller. If other dogs take off on trash, she comes back and jumps up on my leg with a look like "Don't shock me".
If I hear dogs take off on a line and see her headed back, they are getting shocked.
Keep on hunting as normal afterward.
I have a gip that gave up hunting after the first few times I shocked her.
I just kept on hunting with another dog, and she eventually would get away from and start hunting again.
She is now my truth teller. If other dogs take off on trash, she comes back and jumps up on my leg with a look like "Don't shock me".
If I hear dogs take off on a line and see her headed back, they are getting shocked.
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there's nothing better than having a tattle tale. when mine comes back i
show no mercy on the trashers. i also believe the closer the deer is when
you shock'em it takes better. then you can quickly get back to rabbits. i
have tried putting hounds on deer and they'd find a rabbit to run so i'm
starting to think its rocket science. another fella and i went to deer pen, i
guess ten acres full of deer and the hounds ran four rabbits in that ten
acres and never once showed interest in the deer. to this day they will
still take a track on occasion. next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
show no mercy on the trashers. i also believe the closer the deer is when
you shock'em it takes better. then you can quickly get back to rabbits. i
have tried putting hounds on deer and they'd find a rabbit to run so i'm
starting to think its rocket science. another fella and i went to deer pen, i
guess ten acres full of deer and the hounds ran four rabbits in that ten
acres and never once showed interest in the deer. to this day they will
still take a track on occasion. next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
let honesty run through the veins of each and every judge at each and every trial at each and
every format.
every format.
I take them out when they first start tracking rabbits and find the deer and watch the tracks as they run off then without allowing the pup to see the deer put the pup within searching distance of the deer track and allow the pup to find the track. If the pup begins to follow or hark to the track shock the pup and when he turns off the track you turn away from the pup like nothing happened and if he goes back to the track shock him again each time until he leaves it alone. You want the pup to understand you did not do anything but the track did something to him! I have had very good success with this method and I believe it allows the pup to grow up thinking that just because he is out of your sight and control he still can not run that track because something bad is going to happen if he follows it. And then, I believe this is VERY IMPORTANT, take him away from the deer track and put him on a rabbit the same day and if possible the same hour, I have never had a problem with this method and it has worked for me many times with young dogs. One more thing: NEVER, NEVER run a young dog with anyone's trashy dog!!! Try it and I believe it is a very safe method. dboman
Let's go run them!!!
I like for the dog to see the deer.
They jumped many rabbits where they can see them.
I want them to see as many deer as they can so they associate the sight with the smell.
The best thing you can do is put them on as many deer as possible until you are confident that they are broke.
When I see deer, I generally head that way just watch the dogs to see if they even react.
They jumped many rabbits where they can see them.
I want them to see as many deer as they can so they associate the sight with the smell.
The best thing you can do is put them on as many deer as possible until you are confident that they are broke.
When I see deer, I generally head that way just watch the dogs to see if they even react.
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Silverzuk,
I agree there are several methods to training and breaking beagles off of deer/offgame, but note, I'm talking about a young puppy and his first lessons on offgame. Good luck getting a deer to stand within searching distance of a young puppy, you want it to be open or semi-open ground for a puppy so there is no mistakes made on what the pup is running, I know you will agree there is always a chance in thick cover that a mistake could be made with the pup and a true rabbit track and that's the only place you are going to get a deer to stand for a pup to search out an area. I want to know for a fact that it's a deer/offgame track for the lessons and the deer are going to run away in the place you need to go first with the pup, that's why I mark a track in case there are other tracks of rabbits there and I don't make a mistake and ruin the pup. There is a time as the pup grows that he will see and jump a deer but as the deer run off (out of sight) the young dog is back to smell not sight as beagles use as their primary. His smell sense will take over again and will overturn his sight sense, that's why from time to time you will see a grown dog jump or run at a jumped deer and may go a short distance but will turn off the track when his smell sense takes over again. I believe if you instill that in a young pup upfront there may that day when they go with other dogs in a sight chase but as the deer gets out of sight your dog is back to smelling and his smell senses will tell him to turn off the track. This has worked real good for me for over 28 years, not the only way but one I have found to be very good with young dogs. Good luck with whatever method you find that works for you. dboman
I agree there are several methods to training and breaking beagles off of deer/offgame, but note, I'm talking about a young puppy and his first lessons on offgame. Good luck getting a deer to stand within searching distance of a young puppy, you want it to be open or semi-open ground for a puppy so there is no mistakes made on what the pup is running, I know you will agree there is always a chance in thick cover that a mistake could be made with the pup and a true rabbit track and that's the only place you are going to get a deer to stand for a pup to search out an area. I want to know for a fact that it's a deer/offgame track for the lessons and the deer are going to run away in the place you need to go first with the pup, that's why I mark a track in case there are other tracks of rabbits there and I don't make a mistake and ruin the pup. There is a time as the pup grows that he will see and jump a deer but as the deer run off (out of sight) the young dog is back to smell not sight as beagles use as their primary. His smell sense will take over again and will overturn his sight sense, that's why from time to time you will see a grown dog jump or run at a jumped deer and may go a short distance but will turn off the track when his smell sense takes over again. I believe if you instill that in a young pup upfront there may that day when they go with other dogs in a sight chase but as the deer gets out of sight your dog is back to smelling and his smell senses will tell him to turn off the track. This has worked real good for me for over 28 years, not the only way but one I have found to be very good with young dogs. Good luck with whatever method you find that works for you. dboman
Let's go run them!!!