Liver (chocalate) Beagles

RobDar · Post by **RobDar** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:53 am

just a goofy question for you all.....
after 4 years in rescue we had seen just a handful of Chocalate or liver colored and white Beagles....
this year...in fact this month...we have rescued six all right in a row...anyone notice more of this coloration out there over the last couple years than there has been in the past?

New York Hillbilly · Post by **New York Hillbilly** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:50 am

RobDar,
I had seen only one or two of this color in my area over a 30 year plus period. That is not to say that they were not out there, it may have been I just never saw them. I wanted something different from the rest of the crowd, so I actively sought out a good line of hunting beagles that were also this color. My search led me to Ohio and the Rising Sun "reds". It became clear to me that liver, chocolate, red or whatever you call them were much more common in this section of the country. This I guess is in the same fashion that blu-tic beagles are so very common in this area where I live. The more success a certain family of hounds have the more they are bred and pass along those traits I guess. This includes the color of the hound. By the way I am curious what do you mean when you say you "rescued" them? From what or whom? I have seen this mentioned in the past and was just curious.
Have a good day,
NYH

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 12:46 pm

NY Hillbilly,

Just FYI, a lot of people who adopt a dog from a shelter refer to their dog as a "rescue," but that's not what RobDar is referring to.

Rescue organizations take unwanted dogs (usually from a specific breed), rehab them (if necessary), and find homes for them. Most of them come from kill shelters, and others come from people wanting to get rid of a dog or people who've found a stray that they can't take care of. So, to answer your question, they're rescued from "euthanization."

Rosewood · Post by **Rosewood** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:21 pm

Yes,

It seems like there are getting to be more of this colored hounds around our area too. To my understanding they were fairly popular around the 60's but this passed as a fad then they became harder to find. I have a few of these colored hounds now and if they keep on performing like they are now they will be more than a fad in my kennel.

New York Hillbilly · Post by **New York Hillbilly** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 12:53 am

Guest,
Thanks for clearing that up for me. What a sad thought for a beagle owner/fancier to think about. They must be good hearted people. I wish them continued success for the beagles sake.
God bless,
NYH

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:31 am

NY Hillbilly,

That was me posting as "guest" (I guess I use the back button too often to move around and sometimes inadvertently go back to a page that is prior to my log-in).

Yes, it's very depressing. I occasionally help with rescues myself, and once people get involved, they realize how rough it can be. Burn-out is a major problem, and with a breed as popular as the beagle, you can find a beagle-in-need almost anytime, anyplace. Even the most established beagle rescues often can't take in all of the kill shelter beagles in their county alone because of space, finances, time, etc.

New York Hillbilly · Post by **New York Hillbilly** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:33 pm

Boomer.

NYH

CAINCUTTER · Post by **CAINCUTTER** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:59 am

We are seeing a few of this color in South Mississippi. I have one little grade hound that has a Red Head but her coat is all Chocalate and snow white. She is a little 12 inch bitch named Little Brown Sugar. She is a member of my "A Team" , hard hunting and great in the brush piles. I would consider raising a littler from her if I could find a small chocalate male to mate her with. If anyone knows of a canidate in or near Sourh Mississippi, let me know.

FallsCreekKennels · Post by **FallsCreekKennels** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:48 am

I have some very specially bread dog that are this color. They are of Yellow creek breeding out of Michigan.
fergus

Shooting Match · Post by **Shooting Match** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:08 pm

I have one of these little guys. They are hard to find they seem to carry a very shy dog I have a akc hound he is very good on the track but alittle
lazy for me on the hunt.

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:31 am

I get this color all the time. It is very prominant in my bloodline however I do not breed for color and could care less if they are pink with purple pokadots if they run like I like and are built well. If fact in 2004 I bred several litters for myself to sort and had about 25 pups all together that year. Over half of them came chocolate tri. Color does not determine what I keep, conformation does early on then ability as they are started. I still have half the pups and about half of the ones I kept are chocolate.
The color is not rare or uncommon. The brown blanket is a dilute of the black gene. Some lines just throw it more than others.
A lot of the show breeders shy away from this color because the dilute throws a lighter colored eye and because it is different than the typical tri's you see in the ring. The hounds eye is SUPPOSED to match the color of the coat. In England the chocolate or "liver" color is a disqualification because of the light eye that comes with it. I can think of a lot more serious reasons to cull a beagle than coat or eye color but thats just me.

db215 · Post by **db215** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:47 am

I had a full blackcreek female that I sold to my brother-in-law in Missouri that has chocolate colored pups in each litter she has had, I know it comes from her because she has been breed to more than one stud and always has chocolate pups, she is tri-colored (bk,tan, wh.) They are always full chocolate blanket backs with white along legs, almost always the same and have the greenest eyes I have ever seen in beagles. Very beautiful pups, everyone always says they look good. First and only female I have ever had that threw pups like these. dboman

Cannon Hollow Hounds · Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:50 am

I think this is what you mean. This male isn't quite a year old yet. His dam is a typical tri and his sire is a blue tick. But there are some of this color on both sides of his ped. He is out of Journey's End Time To Preach x Bear Mtn To Me Princess. CHH

db215 · Post by **db215** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:11 am

CHH,
Nice looking dog! Yes, except these pups have no tan on them, they are all the color of the back of your dog and white legs. And the eyes are greener. Don't see any pups like them down here. dboman

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:18 am

db215 wrote:I know it comes from her because she has been breed to more than one stud and always has chocolate pups, she is tri-colored (bk,tan, wh.)

Well you are right, the gene DOES come from the mom but it ALSO comes from each stud you bred her to. The gene will only pass recessivly (meaning the trait won't show but the gene can be still be passed) if only ONE parent carries the gene. BOTH parents have to carry the gene for a recessive to show through and become dominant in a pup.

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