Dog Food

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:51 pm

I don't feed 10, I feed 15! I am a kennel Technician and a college student. My husband is disable and we have an 11 year old son still living at home. Tell me about being able to afford it!

I know that there are MANY people out there that don't feel MY conviction, but there ARE better choices at a more reasonable price without being cheap. Like I said, there is Maximum Nutrition, National, Prism, Pro Pac, Premium Edge (chicken and rice/35lb = $22). I have fed Premium Edge and it's a very good food with NO CORN, however, it is made by DIAMOND. All of these foods are decent quality and reasonably priced. Then you have Nutro, Hill's, Eukanuba, Purina Pro Plan, etc.
I can sympathize with not being able to find decent foods, but until I did some investigating, I didn't think I could find the foods I wanted to feed either. I live in a relatively small town with few pet shops or feed stores. I did a search on a couple of websites and too my great surprise, I found a boarding facility that carried the super premium dog foods very near me. I would have never thought about looking at a kennel (since I worked at one) for DOG FOOD! Now my kennel is carring dog food and I couldn't be HAPPIER!

Good Luck with your search for a affordable (and hopefully quality) dog food!

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:51 pm

Will do John.

You get my PM?

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:57 pm

Yes and I answered it.

How's this local dog feed sound:
#1 meat, three different kinds is the majority
#2 Cooked bones
#3 potatoes for starch
#4 wheat flour
#5 apples
#6 peaches
#7 Cabbage & lettuce
#8 tomatoes
#9 Eggs
#10 butter
#11 Oil and fat for slick coat
#12 Cream
#13 Vitamins
#14 Corn
#15 Okra

Would you think your dogs would do good on this?

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:35 pm

Hell with the dogs, throw me a laddle of that there Hash in an old tin pan. I don't care what the protein/fat ratio is as long as you got a hot cast iron skillet of corn bread to sop it up with.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:15 pm

Hey John, for some reason your PM didn't come through.

and yeah, heck with the dogs, pass the biscuits. lol

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:18 pm

Swamper have you tried any of the Sportsman Pride made by Sunshine Mills. They are out of Alabama and several of our customers use it for thier Coonhounds. I personally feed Purina Pro-Plan and am very happy with it. There is not much stool and the dogs look very good.

beagler80 · Post by **beagler80** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:28 pm

I feed Canidae, it's pricey, $30 for 40# but I only feed a cup a day per dog, which is about half as much as I fed of Diamond, so if you think about it your really not paying that much more for it and it is a much better food. Check out the ingredients http://www.canidae.com I could tell a difference it my dogs coats in about three days and have never fed a food with less waste either.

Cannon Hollow Hounds · Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:47 pm

I have started mine on Prism adult formula 26/18 and am just into my 2nd 50# bag. But already the hounds have about half as much waste as they had on the Diamond Hi- Energy and the stool is MUCH darker and more compact. And believe it or not, the smell in the kennel is not near as bad , even with the rain we been having. I'm not saying this food is the answer to eveyones wishes, but so far I am impressed with the results. The hounds are gaining weight already too. Which they didn't really need as they were at the perfect running shape when I started. So I'm starting to slowly cut down on portions till they level out.It's a little pricy in my area at $23.00 for 50# but if it takes less to feed them then you're actually gaining in the long run in price and hounds health. The ingredients list is a bit decieving with corn being I think the 3rd ingredient. But it is the whole grain including the grain germ which makes it a protien source and much nore digestible. All I know for sure, is the hounds are doing better on less food and a lot less clean up. I'll re-evaluate after a few more bags. Before I switched to Diamond a few years ago, I fed Pride for a long time and it seem pretty good for a feed that was under 20 bux per 50#. Just some info I thought I'd share. Thanks, CHH

TC · Post by TC » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:11 am

Ok Folks a little help here As some of you know we are gettin Set to move to KY

Well We have fed Diamond for years with no problems out here( YET)
I was at the feed store today gettin Food We feed the Diamond Lamb and rice And mix it 50/50 with the performance feed. Well after all the hoopla over the Diamond Screw up Wedont want to take a chance on the Performance so are lookin for sumthin Else anyways He sugested Pro pac As it is made Locally In the south and can get it fairly Easy What i want to know is have any of you tried it? and if so what results? We are looking to find sumthin to mix wit the lamb and rice and thier performance looked pretty Good at 30/25 So what do yall think any ideas
here is a link to thier website
http://www.propacpetfood.com/dogs/index ... 0102154622
I see that they also manufacture the Sportmix Brands
Any thoughts ?
Opinions?

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:16 am

CHH, please keep me updated on how your hounds are doing on the Prism.!
The kennel I work for is now selling Eagle Pack foods and am very interested in how dogs are doing on the Prism so we can add this from their line as well. I think when you figure your price per SERVING as opposed to by the pound, you are saving money with this food.

The Pro Pac is a decent food. My distributor sells it and I have feed it at the kennel for a short time. We now feed Eagle Pack Original formula. Here's the ingredients for both.

Eagle Pack Original

Ingredients:
Pork Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Air-Dried Peas, Dried Carrots, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus niger.
Ingredient Index

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein min. 25.0%
Crude Fat min. 15.0%
Crude Fiber max. 4.0%
Moisture max. 10.0%

424 ME (Kcal/cup)

Calcium min. 1.2%
Phosphorus min. 1.0%
Vitamin A min. 22,000 IU/kg.
Vitamin E min. 125 IU/kg.
Omega 6 min. 2.5%*
Omega 3 min. .53%*

Prism Adult

Ingredients: Guaranteed Analysis:
Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (Naturally Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols & Citric Acid), Pork Meal, Brewers Rice, Dried Beet Pulp, Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Potassium Chloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite, Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Ethylene Diamine Dihydriodide, Calcium Carbonate.
Crude Protein min. 26.0%
Crude Fat min. 18.0%
Crude Fiber max. 3.4%
Moisture max. 10.0%
Omega 6 min. 3.4%*
Omega 3 min. 0.5%*

Prism Performance
Ingredients: Guaranteed Analysis:
Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Chicken Fat (Naturally Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols & Citric Acid), Ground Brown Rice, Dried Beet Pulp, Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Pork Meal, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Potassium Chloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite, Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Ethylene Diamine Dihydriodide, Calcium Carbonate
Crude Protein min. 30.0%
Crude Fat min. 20.0%
Crude Fiber max. 3.3%
Moisture max. 10.0%
Omega 6 min. 3.6%*
Omega 3 min. 0.5%*

Pro Pac Performance

INGREDIENTS:
Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Natural Flavoring, Flaxseed, Yeast Culture, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine Hydroxyanalogue, L-Lysine, Vitamin E Supplement, D-Activated Animal Sterol (source of Vitamin D3), Vitamin A Acetate, Niacin, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Folic Acid, Manganous Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Zinc Proteinate, Manganous Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Magnesium Proteinate, Copper Proteinate.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:

Crude Protein, not less than 30%
Crude Fat, not less than 20%
Crude Fiber, not more than 4%
Moisture, not more than 10%
Omega-6 Fatty Acids, not less than 3.30%
Omega-3 Fatty Acids, not less than 0.55%

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:30 am

How's this local dog feed sound:
#1 meat, three different kinds is the majority - what kind of meat?
#2 Cooked bones - are they ground up bones?
#3 potatoes for starch - better than alot of grain fragments, IMO
#4 wheat flour - can cause allergies
#5 apples - YES
#6 peaches - YES
#7 Cabbage & lettuce - would depend on the type of lettuce!
#8 tomatoes - lutine is great for the eyes
#9 Eggs - almost 100% bioavailable
#10 butter - HUH???
#11 Oil and fat for slick coat - what type of oils/fats?
#12 Cream - as in Heavy cream?
#13 Vitamins - are they balanced for dogs?
#14 Corn - whole ground corn is ok depending on how it is used
#15 Okra - great vegetable to add, dogs love it!

Is this a diet you are formulating yourself? If so, I think it's a great idea, just don't give cooked bones unless they are ground up to a fine powder or if it's bone meal. The cream can cause some digestive upset, but you could do Yogurt which is great for digestion with the lactobacillus acedopholous (good bacteria). You can add canola oil which is high in Omega 6's and salmon oil which is high in Omega 3's.[/b]

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:52 am

if you take a 5 gallon bucket to any of the barbeque joints around her, and there are many, they will fill your slop bucket up daily with their eatable leftovers.

Breakfast menues are eggs, biscuits, grits and smoked sausage.

Rest of day is barbeque Pork, hamberger steaks, barbeque Chicken.
Potatoe salad, french fries, or baked slatered in butter, with white loaf bread for wheat. Corn is on the cob, but dogs will eat it off. Okra is fried and also boiled (slimey as it is called here).

Apples and peaches trimed and pealed, cores and seeds too, made into hot fried pies and what is left of the fried pies. Cream is the vanilla ice cream piled on top of the fried pies.

Give this to an undernurished dog for a week and it will gain weight and its eyes and coat will shine. Great energy too.

I feed bones to my dogs and never had one choke. They eat whole fresh caught fish, bones and all, whole rabbits they catch, and any animal bones we throw over the fence.

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:45 pm

John, My dogs get raw bones (usually beef or deer ribs or legs), but I don't give them cooked bones.

Dogs have survived for hundreds of years on peoples scraps. I see no problem with them getting "people" food, just make sure they are getting the nutrients they need..

Actually, fresh foods are good for them! Just don't know about all the "junk" food

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:20 pm

Bunny Runner (Renee')

I have read your posts and seen how willing you have been to help with food questions. Thanks for your concern and advice. I bet there are lots of barbeque joints in NC also. Have to beat the hog folks to the scraps though.

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:46 am

LOL, there are TONS of BBQ places! Our Bar-B-Q is done with hickory and a vineger based sauce (not sweet). But in the southern part of the state (down south), they have a style of Q that is a bit more sweet than in the piedmont region.
Would have to include Hush Puppies in the bucket (oops, they are made with corn meal, lol) Can't forget about the slaw either, just need to pick out any onions (they are toxic to dogs).

Thanks John!