What type of trial is best for a Patch Hound?

Randy Phipps · Post by **Randy Phipps** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:40 am

I am new to this

and I am wandering what type of trial that a jump dog with good line control and med. fast speed would do well in? I have a young male out of Plowboys Boss Man that is a real good gundog. He solos and/or packs real well and seems to handle pack pressure like an old dog.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:20 am

Best trial for a Patch hound is, take him up North Wis. or Mich. and pack him in some "hard" driving hounds and see if he last the week. Some will last at a jog, but a week of drive will test his bottom and grit.
That's the best "trial" I know of for Patch hound...

Plowboy · Post by **Plowboy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:58 pm

Randy,
One of my hunting buddies just placed 6th today in a ARHA Little pack trial with a half mate to him that acts just like yours.
They are not the wild slashing gamblers like some in this division but they have plenty of foot speed but a little more control with it, you will get a lot of jumps & checks with him. He probably has enough control that you could run him in ARHA progressive pack also, but never been to one of those so not sure how loose with the line they allow.
Probably other formats but I am not that familiar with them, from where you live you could take him to Mcminville, Tn or Loudon, Tn either one to just try & see how he fits in. He will get his share of the rabbit race wherever you take him.
Plowboy

Randy Phipps · Post by **Randy Phipps** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:14 pm

Thanks for the info. guys. I just didn't want to take him to the wrong type of trial and have him accused of looking like a Grey Hound on track. In answer to S.R. Patch I am afraid I would give out before he would. My dad and I were taking turns running him through this past gun season. He seems to be going strong all day long ,whether he is running solo or pack. I think he would run himself to death if you just left him loose.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:13 am

How old is he and who's his mama?
Some will hold their own and get stronger as they age 3-5 yrs, others will settle in and become more conservative, thus slowing down as they age.
It mostly depends on the breeding. If there's a lot of Yates breeding, Mike bred for 30 yrs., a type hound that would do well in the SPO of the South. Most of the Patches will have the go when young, but as they age, their breeding will take over.
I have Patchwork Lucy, Bossman's only full sister. She has developed into a med speed little cottontail hound. She can run the hare, but does it like a cottontail, her size and conservativeness holds her back. She has good hunt and the best of nose and my belief is, when I take her back to Mr. Horn, it will restore the size & drive I like to see.
The most important thing is to recognize what you have, know where it comes from, then, how to balance it through the blood...
Good luck with your hound, but don't be in a big hurry to mess up potential, untill the hound is well sure and confident in itself...

Randy Phipps · Post by **Randy Phipps** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:23 pm

He is out of PlowBoys Pache Boss Man x Plowboys Missy Pache. I also have the littermate sister to the dog I am talking about. She seems to like to fight for the front more than he does, but I have noticed he seems to be the more consistent of the 2 when running. He normally starts the races and seems to be making most of the recoveries on an over run. They both appear to run solo or pack at an upper med. fast to fast speed. It just seems like the male is smarter and doesn't mind gearing down to keep the race going on poor scenting days.

Randy Phipps · Post by **Randy Phipps** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:18 am

I forgot to mention that they will be 2 year old at the end of May

. By the way can anyone tell me about Bossman and/or Missy pedigree. My 2 seem to be making top of the line gundogs on cottontails and the few snows that we had they seemed to not have any trouble at all keeping the rabbit moving. The reason I made mention of the snow they embarrassed me and my older grade dog on the snow. He acted like he couldn't smell nothing and went back to the house

. The two Patch dogs had no trouble running and had one race after another just like any other day. What I can't understand is the grade dog is cold nosed and always opens on a trail before my Patch dogs( they usually don't open until they jump)??? I always assumed he had could smell the scent stronger was why he opened first. I have noticed the Patch dogs when they go to him will normally drop their heads and take off on a dead run and jump the rabbit ahead of him by 100+yards.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:59 am

Sounds like you have a couple of nice hounds...

If you feel they are shaped, I'd start them in a more conservative trial. That way they don't get overwelmed by pressure and jerked around.
A trial to me, was always a place to compete a hound the had been proven of top quality, against others of the same.
I had a bitch I thought was good enough and I put her in a trial. My bad luck was, I drew out with Cody's Sharpe Mikie. Things started good, but as it went on, he started pulling her apart. By the end, her head was up at the checks and she was watching him instead of doing her own work and that was her last trial. She was a good rabbitdawg but he was above her class and going to ruin her, plain outmatched. No shame, Mikie was a fantastic rabbit hound and few his equal.
Have fun at the trials with your hounds, but watch for any cracks that start to form...

Randy Phipps · Post by **Randy Phipps** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:50 am

Thanks , I appreciate your time and info.

PREACHERS KENNEL · Post by **PREACHERS KENNEL** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:11 pm

i trial mine in lp and do pretty good. i wish i had some pp trials close i think i could do that with a couple i have!

Plowboy · Post by **Plowboy** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:34 pm

SR,
Steve Smith just got a male that is out of the exact same cross that the dogs Bunny Jumper is talking about, only he is 6 months older.
He is not that far from you, so take Mr. Horn & ask Steve to take Gentle Ben, then assess the "DRIVE" first hand.
Let us know how it goes,
Plowboy

tnbeagleman · Post by **tnbeagleman** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:07 pm

I placed 8th with a patch dog in the trial that the other placed in. A 6th and a 8th in a trial with 33 opens isn't to bad and there may have been another one placed but all three patch hounds at the trial got drawed out in the same cast so they were beating each other. Mine placed eight because he was the highest scoring 2nd place dog. Patcheye has been ran with a quick, swinging, skirting cheating whatever it takes to get the front hound his hold life and it doesn't affect him he just does his stuff his way, but he gives more mouth and handles the line better when he has the front. He has ran with my queenie dog his whole life and anyone that seen her run a couple years back can tell you she is LP style. Unfortuantely I did not get to see the cast that the three patch hounds were in , I was handling my other dog and my son said there was no way he was letting me handle Patcheye because he wanted to watch that cast. Those three dogs had been gun hunted together and my son knew he was going see some running.

Chain rock · Post by **Chain rock** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:18 pm

I dont own a patch hound but from the ones that I have seen at LP trials they seem to do very well. Tnbeagleman has some nice dogs that I have seen run over at KTV beagle club as well as a few others. Just my thoughts.

J.B.M. · Post by **J.B.M.** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:54 pm

Most Patch hounds are competitive, to a fault at times, and won't be content to run behind a pack. If you continually run them with LP hounds they likely will become LP hounds. I'm not knocking LP dogs, to each his own, but here in my area of Ky if you don't have a dog that will cut off it's packmates, skirt cover, and swing hard at the check, you will get left in the dust. I like a hound that has some foot as long as it is matched with pretty good control, the ability to switch gears and has some concept of a check area. I don't trial anymore, but i had pretty good luck in PP a few years ago with my Patch hounds. I finished a couple and had a lot of places on several others. Those hounds were in the med. to med-fast range....They ran cottontails like cottontails and hare like...uh, hare.

pacheattack · Post by **pacheattack** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:08 pm

I have ran in almost all formats of trials and through my personal experience the patch hounds I run anyway are to honest for most of the trials. One paticular hound I owned was in one Little pack hunt and got 5th one progressive pack hunt and stayed down and one AKC midwest trial and got called back. I guess what Im saying if its a good hound it will adapt to what ever format you want to run it in. And what ever you want to run it on. I have seen dogs that supposely could run a cottontail pretty good but on Drummond Island running hare wasnt worth waisting a shotgun shell on. In my oppinion a good hound should step up and run to its ability on what ever quarry you run it on and should never ever by no-means(QUIT.)

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