ranger dan faults???

sweetman6924 · Post by **sweetman6924** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:42 am

well i know iv seen alot of good things about ranger dan in this forum. but i was just wondering if anyone has had any faults with there ranger dan bred hounds? i have one myself and plan on getting more. there really isn't any faults i have noticed with my female except i don't like when ran with a over competitive young dog. she doesn't stay as focused as she does solo, if the hound swings around her and is barking off the track she will kinda work with the hound till she gets front. maybe its just a age problem because she is 2 years old, but she only runs good with a slower dog because the dog stays behind her. maybe she just can't handle the pressure. but i know if hunted alone she is an amazing dog and can produce the hare 99-100% of the time. and on good days she can full out fly on a track and walk in the bad weather if she needs to.

jon

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:02 am

I have seen a few with crooked front legs.

VABEAGLER · Post by **VABEAGLER** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:57 am

Mike,

Not to sound rude but how many have you seen?

Of that number how many had crooked legs?

I was just wondering cause i own one and have see probably 8-9 more and there is no evidence of physical problems with them especially crooked legs.

The only thing i have heard about Ranger Dan offspring and line is some have weak mouths no lack of just low tone. Mine has a soft mouth but this no bad fault in my book cause he uses it right. I would rather he be like this than on the other side of the spectrum barking all over the place with a big horn.

Just my take. I would like to have another on just like him.

VABEAGLER

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:47 pm

I have only seen 3 out of him directly only 1 had bowed legs. I was told it came from Dan.As far as mouth goes, I only got to see 1 run.She had a very loud squall-chop mouth.She was a little loose before the rabbit jumped, but could burn it up. She was a blanket back bitch. She had straight legs.Though she was still pretty ugly. I would still feed her though.
Is your dog directly out of Dan? Or is it a Grandpup,out of Bob's dog?

Chris Spall · Post by **Chris Spall** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:02 pm

The only fault that can be said to be passed on by dan is a little extra mouth in the check area. I've never seen one that was real bad, just a few extra pops. As a general rule, the positives far out way the negetives.

blitzen · Post by **blitzen** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:47 pm

I have a 2 yr old male out of Dan has a real nice mouth uses it correctly runs a real nice rabbit. legs are nice and straight I don't no if this a fault or not but he just is not footy enough for my pack and running him with the faster dogs is more than likely hurting him more than helping. Would probably make a nice pp dog. this is just what I have seen from my own dog overall I really like him. Dave

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:48 pm

I've seen some pretty nice hounds out of Dan, and even owned a couple. Most run a pretty nice rabbit - not too crazy, but still getting plenty done. The only real negative that I can think of is the overall general poor conformation. Seems like a lot of them are kind of unathleticly built - on the stout side. As with any breeding a lot will depend on the female.

VABEAGLER · Post by **VABEAGLER** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:09 am

Mike,

I have a grandson of Dan but have also seen 3 sons and one daughter not including my dogs littermates. I really like my hound he has correct build alot of brains anf runs a rabbit the right way he just has a very weak mouth. I would say he is upper medium fast as were the others. He has been running solo since 5 months and does it right. I have hunted him on cottontail and hare and he runs snow well.

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:17 am

Chris has hit the nail on the head about Dan dogs. Mine also has an awesome nose and seems to be able to run in all conditions. The only thing I don't like is the extra mouth running into the pack.

dawgydawg67 · Post by **dawgydawg67** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:50 pm

I ran with one(Green Bay Shooter) I really liked, but owned one that wasn't worth a nickel. He babbled, dog tracked, back tracked and was trashy. Pretty much one of the faultiest hounds I had ever seen. Dawgy

pwill · Post by **pwill** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:31 pm

I don`t know what kinda pup Dan throws but like Chris mentioned, ALOT depends on the female. That is always important to remember, it takes 2 to make a pup, Thanks Paul

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:32 am

As others have noted, the female will add something to the offspring whether good or bad. As for Ranger Dan and his brother Sprocket, both had unique voices that were impossible to describe but nearly identical. I understand this came from IFC Wingate's Brandon. Ranger Dan especially would give tongue harking in to a running pack when another hound recovered the line out ahead of him. A little annoying but nothing that would affect the pack or cause any harm. Out of the 50 or so pups I had off him, only one had bowed front legs and that likely came from the dam's pedigree. I thought both were very well put together, short-coupled and very square. Some of his offspring are mildly cowhocked. I hunted with two males off Dan last week, from my kennel that I sold as pups. One is built lean, very fast and accurate with an outstanding nose, the other lacks the footspeed due to his heavy build but stays closer on the check and also has the exceptional nose. Most of the pups that I started had considerable extra mouth but almost all of them cleaned up with maturity. A few never did. These would bark dog at times or rerun old lines. Never saw one backtrack. Ranger Dan's best trait in my opinion was his ability to always stay on the line no matter how rough or faulty his packmates were. The rougher the pack, the more he'd cut them up by turning corners or taking the checks. His level-headedness was amazing. He could be beaten by another clean running but faster hound that didn't create checks. He would run nothing but rabbit- leaving a pack who ran trash. I tried a couple of half brother to half sister crosses with his offspring with poor results. But used as an outcross, he added nose and brains to my kennel with no loss of good traits that I already had. Many breeders bred rough running bitches to him in order to gain line control but of course some of those offspring remained rough. There were far more positives to him than negatives and most of the negative was very minor. He was a great little dog.