Close up breeding information ???

JUDE · Post by **JUDE** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:35 pm

Guys for all you that breed how close can you breed or
should you breed to keep a certian hound in your pedigree ???
How close is just too close ???

Thank you all ,
Buddy

jlboomer · Post by **jlboomer** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:23 pm

Ive always had very good results with father daughter crosses. I do this if i really like the male i will breed him to a female that has the same qualitys that i like keep the female pups from that and the ones that shows the most quailtys that i like i will breed them back to there father. Ive had very good results with this getting way above average pups and liking what i see you have to be very picky with your male and females and look for the faults but at the same time if you'll notice you'll lock in alot of traits. Now these are just my thoughts and this has worked for me in rasing beagles and my tree stock jack russells.

JUDE · Post by **JUDE** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:23 pm

Thank you very much JL . I suppose you would breed
similiar to the breeding as people breed gamecocks ?
You can line breed dad X daughter, aunt X nephew, uncle
X niece ??? Just not half or full brother and sister and
be sure to watch closely for bad traits ?????
Please let me know if that's correct . If some of you other
breeders have input , please post it .

Thank you ,
Buddy

jlboomer · Post by **jlboomer** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:48 pm

Yea buddy thats pretty much it. But i will Breed half brother x half sister. But again when inbreeding and linebreeding this close you have to be ready to cull hard but if you start with a good reliable line and know what you want the results will be worth it when you get everything just right. YOu know when 90% of your pups come out making rabbit dogs that are trained easily that your doing something right. Funny you mention gamecocks i used to raise them people don't realize the thought that goes into breeding them its like everything else you have to breed for traits you want from the bloodlines that poses them.

JUDE · Post by **JUDE** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:21 pm

Yep , I wasted a lot of years of my life on gamecocks .
It does take intensive breeding and culling . I think I have
a breeding video somewhere on the genetics of a gamecock .
I will have to look at it as I'm sure it will help me to refreshen
up on what I want to do with my beagle breeding program .
Don't get me wrong I'm not ready for linebreeding yet but
I don't like to start anything that I don't plan to better myself
and hopefully beagling . I wish I had started beagling instead
of wasting all those years on an illegal sport . Just my opinion
not trying to argue with anyone about gamecocks

I'm
not putting anyone down for doing it except MYSELF .

Buddy

B.Trull · Post by **B.Trull** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:53 am

Yea, what jlboomer said. Be objective, dont become kennel blind

Google for the brace beagles homepages and read up on their program they had to use to slow dogs to a waddle. Forget the address but it had alot of good info . I had a brother x sister cross of a Tiny Bull breeding that wasnt a bad dog.

jlboomer · Post by **jlboomer** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:58 pm

No need to put yourself down about the gamecocks buddy if you live in an area like mine its dirt poor and the roosters put alot of food on the table was a pretty good livin. I wish you all the luck in your breeding plans with your beagles just remeber breed for what you want not what the trends are and cull hard when needed and everything will be alright.

Jane · Post by **Jane** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:32 pm

Franklin Ray Jude... stop that !
You seem like a very wonderful person.
Wish I didn't waste all those years being a workaholic. Life's too short.
I'm just starting this at 40, kids are grown.
I am sure you'll figure out the breeding end of it and don't forget that you can infuse some Top Dog in down the line at some point in time too, LOL!

JUDE · Post by **JUDE** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:42 am

Jane wrote:Franklin Ray Jude... stop that !
You seem like a very wonderful person.
Wish I didn't waste all those years being a workaholic. Life's too short.
I'm just starting this at 40, kids are grown.
I am sure you'll figure out the breeding end of it and don't forget that you can infuse some Top Dog in down the line at some point in time too, LOL!

Don't worry I would have to lose more of my mind than I already have to forget that . I will let my buddies come to my home and pet those free of charge

40 is a great time to start living . Wouldn't it be nice if we could get paid just too hunt . You seem like a wonderful person too Jane . I enjoyed those pictures !!!

Buddy

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:30 am

Hi Buddy,
My advice is to get with someone you trust, that likes and knows the same hounds you do, Mr. Harless sounds like a good fellow.
When breeding, there are many hounds involved along with the two you've selected. In other words, there are the two hounds we see, being mated, and, the hounds not seen(the ancestors) being brought together. Knowing these hounds of the past and their good and poor qualities, what they are know to be strong in and pass on to the pups is all the matters. Faults are there to be culled and they are always with us. The good, in large percentages is what we're after. Super hounds are a pipe dream, but we should always breed with the "ideal" in mind.
I give little regard to the closeness two hounds may bare towards one another, and more to their individual qualities and the ancestors of each.
Study and use the roads already traveled to learn and make your gains on...

JUDE · Post by **JUDE** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:05 pm

S.R.Patch wrote:Hi Buddy,
My advice is to get with someone you trust, that likes and knows the same hounds you do, Mr. Harless sounds like a good fellow.
When breeding, there are many hounds involved along with the two you've selected. In other words, there are the two hounds we see, being mated, and, the hounds not seen(the ancestors) being brought together. Knowing these hounds of the past and their good and poor qualities, what they are know to be strong in and pass on to the pups is all the matters. Faults are there to be culled and they are always with us. The good, in large percentages is what we're after. Super hounds are a pipe dream, but we should always breed with the "ideal" in mind.
I give little regard to the closeness two hounds may bare towards one another, and more to their individual qualities and the ancestors of each.
Study and use the roads already traveled to learn and make your gains on...

Sounds like wonderful advice !!! I will do my best to follow it .
I think with Deweys help I will be able to eventually be able
to have a good breeding program . You are right Dewey is a
very nice person .

Thank you Mr.Patch ,

Buddy

Lone Pine Beagles · Post by **Lone Pine Beagles** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:55 pm

Two friends of mine own littermate females. These females are out of Uncle x Niece crosses (75%)

Both of these guys bred to the same male which was a littermate to the females mother!

Now the pups are 87.5% inbred. I have a starting pen and had the opportunity to start the pups from both litters.

The litters were not as uniform as i had thought they would be. Different body shapes, etc. Apparently each mother had different dominant body style traits?

These pups started easily and were rockin' and rollin on rabbits at 5 months. Full Circles.

I believe close breedings work if the proper selection is made!
LPB

leach32 · Post by **leach32** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:14 pm

I have a female whose parents are full brother and full sister out of the same litter (i was not the breeder) and she has turned out fine. i have not seen too many dogs yet that i would rather have than her. we use to have her sister too but she turned up missing.

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