puppy worming

[mud]

I use equimax horse wormer on my adult dogs for years.Anybody ever try any on a pup? If so what is the dosage? thanks

[TheLittleBlackBook]

That has ivermectin in it, so you should not use it on your pups at all.

Pups shouldn't be given ivermectin until after 4 months of age.

[NoShowBeagles]

Ivemectrin has never hurt my pups a drop or two on the tounge for pups has never bothered mine ive raised dogs for 10 years, bear dogs birddogs coondogs beagles ask everette morgan

[TheLittleBlackBook]

Ivemectrin has never hurt my pups a drop or two on the tounge for pups has never bothered mine ive raised dogs for 10 years, bear dogs birddogs coondogs beagles ask everette morgan

I've raised a yard of 10-85 dogs for over 23 years, and I don't need to "ask anyone," because I have actually read and understood the science behind these drugs. So let me respectfully suggest that just because you've got away with something doesn't mean it's best practice.

Wormers like pyrantel and fenbendazole are the preferred choices for pups, precisely because they kill worms with zero toxic effect on pups (even at 20x the recommended dosage).

Wormers like ivermectin, and especially the related and more toxic moxidectin, are both fantastic wormers ... but if you understood HOW THEY WORK ... by killing worms' central brain system (while not being able to do so against higher mammals due to the blood-brain barrier that mammals have) ... and if you further understood that pups do not have a fully-formed blood-brain barrier yet ... you would realize WHY all label indications recommend against using these drugs on pups younger than 4 months. Their brains and resistances to certain drugs are not fully-developed yet.

In fact, this same reason is why some herding dog breeds (e.g., collies) are susceptible, precisely because they have a mutation to their MDR1 gene which allows higher levels of these drugs to cross the blood-brain barrier into the animal’s central nervous system. This is why one must be cautious while using ivermectins on collies too.

Anyway, not trying to step on any toes, but when giving "blanket recommendations" to other folks, it is helpful to actually know what you're talking about and WHY certain practices are to be taken (or avoided). While you may have gotten away with giving ivermectin to pups, I know plenty of folks who have killed their whole litters by doing so.

And that will never happen using either pyrantel or panacur.

Cheers,

Jack

[warddog]

I LOVE reading the science behind these things. It explains the means to the madness, so to speak and should overide opinion. Nice post little black book as I learned something from it.

[NoShowBeagles]

take no offense blackbook. just sharing my opinion

[rmiller]

Using the horse wormer what dosage should you use on adult dogs?

[Woodhavenrabbitdogs]

I use safeguard or panacur horse paste, for 6 month to adult take a plastic spoon and make a line the same thickness as the syringe opening the length of the spoon- for smaller pups half that and it has worked well for me

[NeilKimbrel7]

That has ivermectin in it, so you should not use it on your pups at all.

Pups shouldn't be given ivermectin until after 4 months of age.

So what is your recommendation for heart worm prevention on pups less than 4 months old? Here In southeast Missouri you can't go 4 months during the summer without protection.

[S.R.Patch]

The micro filia won't develop past the stage that the Ivomec won't kill them at that age. I usually start ivomec at 3-4 months old, depending on when the 1st of that month occurs when I treat the rest of the hounds.
That tells me, in hounds, missing a month or two treatment is not detrimental to keep a hound clear of heartworm for life, it would seem